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Shoe3

Swinger
I have quite a few questions so bear with, thank you in advance for reading.
950 Annex F, regarding self-harm, 2 episodes or more are “normally unfit” (from the publication i have found that normally unfit means youre referred to specialist or some such).

When the document refers to episodes occuring over a short period of time “weeks rather than months” and can be ascribed to the same single stressful event they may be referred to as one episode. If the episodes are are months apart but solidly down to the same single stressful event is it still to be regarded as 2 episodes? Or is this down to the discretion of the examining MO? Additionally does anybody know anyone who managed to get in the military (ideally marines or army infantry) with 2 episodes?
 

Fang_Farrier

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I have quite a few questions so bear with, thank you in advance for reading.
950 Annex F, regarding self-harm, 2 episodes or more are “normally unfit” (from the publication i have found that normally unfit means youre referred to specialist or some such).

When the document refers to episodes occuring over a short period of time “weeks rather than months” and can be ascribed to the same single stressful event they may be referred to as one episode. If the episodes are are months apart but solidly down to the same single stressful event is it still to be regarded as 2 episodes? Or is this down to the discretion of the examining MO? Additionally does anybody know anyone who managed to get in the military (ideally marines or army infantry) with 2 episodes?


In medical terms, two things the same happening months apart, would be two episodes. Months apart is not a short period of time.

It is not down to the examining MO but is stipulated in JSP 950, Annex F.
 

Shoe3

Swinger
In medical terms, two things the same happening months apart, would be two episodes. Months apart is not a short period of time.

It is not down to the examining MO but is stipulated in JSP 950, Annex F.
Thanks for your reply, reason for my confusion for that particular part is that someone I know has had two episodes a year apart but the medical officer regarded it as one. They haven’t been to the assessment centre yet but they have passed all the previous medical stuff.
 
Hi All, I've been with the army reserve for several years and I attempted to transfer to the regulars. I got a medical rejection when applying to join the regulards despite no change in my medical records since I joined the reserve.
The whole thing has left me a bit confused and I'm not sure how to proceed.
I'm also a bit confused about my current medical status in the reserves.

Does anyone have any useful advice or points of contact I could try? Thanks.
 

Wagner-Group

Old-Salt
Hi All, I've been with the army reserve for several years and I attempted to transfer to the regulars. I got a medical rejection when applying to join the regulards despite no change in my medical records since I joined the reserve.
The whole thing has left me a bit confused and I'm not sure how to proceed.
I'm also a bit confused about my current medical status in the reserves.

Does anyone have any useful advice or points of contact I could try? Thanks.
That's odd I'm pretty sure the medical standards for both Regular and Reserves are the same.
 

Wagner-Group

Old-Salt
They are the same, which is why i'm very confused.
I'd like to speak with a medical officer but don't know who to contact.

I think what might have happened is, when you joined the reserves they asked only for your RGMD to be filled by your doctors, and they compare it against the Medical Standards. However if you're going full time they ask for your full Medical Records, So they compared your Full Medical Records against the Medical standards.

The reason why they need your Full Medical Records is because as a regular the Army becomes your Primary Health Care Provider, unlike the Reserves in which their Civi GP is their Primary Health Care Provider.
 

DocSavage

Old-Salt
Hi All, I've been with the army reserve for several years and I attempted to transfer to the regulars. I got a medical rejection when applying to join the regulards despite no change in my medical records since I joined the reserve.
The whole thing has left me a bit confused and I'm not sure how to proceed.
I'm also a bit confused about my current medical status in the reserves.

Does anyone have any useful advice or points of contact I could try? Thanks.
Morning Flash
There are sometimes standards that change during service which then stop you transferring but those already in can continue to serve (one example is ACL injury / surgery)
The answer to your question is it depends on the specific reason they have said you are unfit
If they have not said anything else then you can continue to serve
 
Morning Flash
There are sometimes standards that change during service which then stop you transferring but those already in can continue to serve (one example is ACL injury / surgery)
The answer to your question is it depends on the specific reason they have said you are unfit
If they have not said anything else then you can continue to serve
I don't really want to go into too much detail. But I did check the medical standards when I joined, and the reason I wasn't permitted to join the regulars the policy is exacly the same as when I joined the reserve. I did initally wonder if it was a policy change like you mentioned, and this was not the case.

Thanks for replies from above.
 
Hello everyone. I'm dealing with the wonderful medical bureaucracy of the British Army recruitment system and need some advice. In terms of my Army medical appeal, have found out now what further information that they need. The only problem... the only issue... is that every question that they have listed already has an answer in the (stamped and signed) GP forms that I included in the package that I mailed off for my appeal (which I had previously sent in for my (successful) Royal Marines medical appeal (the pass letter I also sent in).

I have attached what they have asked in the form of some screenshots. For some reason they are unable to send me a PDF letter, and have resorted to the somewhat archaic sending of a physical copy via post... which should have already arrived by now, but it has not, and I have been told to wait until Friday for it to show up. It was sent first class, and so it seems to have gone missing.

They have also asked for all information pertaining to my low mood and autism to be sent in. They have not specified how far back they want to go which leads me to conclude that they want everything from my initial diagnosis at age three upward. Which is utterly ridiculous.

I have provided screenshots of the above to assist. To view them clearly, copy the Imgur link and paste it into a new tab. Simply right-clicking them and then going 'Open in New Tab' doesn't seem to work.

1. Requested information:

2. Already provided/answered information:

In case of 2), if you cannot read my doctor's squiggles, this is what he wrote:

1) Aspergers
• Original diagnosis was April 2018. Childhood autism November 2002 (NOTE: this sentence doesn't exactly make sense).
• Symptoms: solitary pursuits, delayed verbal communication in childhood
• He received an adult Asperger’s and autism assessment in April 2021 and was deemed not to meet diagnostic criteria from this (presumed date of full recovery) (NOTE: two mental health professionals have clearly stated their belief in a misdiagnosis).
• Previously treated with promethazine in childhood November 2002

2) Depression
• Diagnosed December 2017
• Symptoms: low mood, poor sleep, anger
• Treatments: fluoxetine (December 2017 – May 2019). Previous review with psychiatrist April 2018
• Full recovery: May 2019

They use the same JSP 950 that the other branches use, correct? So why in God's good name did the doctor for the Royal Navy/Marines deem me medically fit? They didn't ask for all correspondence going back to when I was age three to make a decision.

In relation to the depression, page 4-L-3 (of JSP 950 Lft 6-7-7 (V1.7 Apr 20)) states the following:

18. Candidates with a diagnosis of a single episode of mild or moderate depression (F32.0, 32.1)
with a clear precipitating stressor may be graded FIT provided that all treatment, including
medication, has been completed and the individual must be free from symptoms and off medication
for 1 year.

19. A diagnosis of a single episode of severe depression without psychosis (F32.2) suggests a
greater impact on functioning, a requirement for more extensive therapy and higher risk of relapse.
To be graded FIT, all treatment (including medication) must be completed and the candidate must
be free from symptoms and off medication for 2 years. The episode of depression itself and the
treatment pathway should not be more than 24 months in total. (NOTE: total duration of 17 months. It was a single prolonged episode of mild to moderate 'intensity' from December 2017 to May 2019). I have been clear from symptoms and medication for 2 years and 7 months. They have written evidence requested from my GP as part of my application to the Royal Marines expressly stating dates, treatment, medication etc.
.
Would anyone have any advice on getting through with this?
 
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Not sure if this is the correct board.

I'm a reservist due to mob next year to a hot and dusty place. I'm a little concerned that I may have one instance of heat exhaustion recorded. Is this likely to cause any issues?

Long story short it was a harbour extraction where I had been on sentry in my warm kit and didn't have time to dekit. Felt wobbly and had to take a seat. Smock, fleece and softie taken off, water given before being re inserted. (life lessons learnt) No further medical treatment and finished the exercise. I would like to hope these things are taken in context and won't effect wider fitness for mobilisation?

Thanks
 

Fang_Farrier

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Hello everyone. I'm dealing with the wonderful medical bureaucracy of the British Army recruitment system and need some advice. In terms of my Army medical appeal, have found out now what further information that they need. The only problem... the only issue... is that every question that they have listed already has an answer in the (stamped and signed) GP forms that I included in the package that I mailed off for my appeal (which I had previously sent in for my (successful) Royal Marines medical appeal (the pass letter I also sent in).

I have attached what they have asked in the form of some screenshots. For some reason they are unable to send me a PDF letter, and have resorted to the somewhat archaic sending of a physical copy via post... which should have already arrived by now, but it has not, and I have been told to wait until Friday for it to show up. It was sent first class, and so it seems to have gone missing.

They have also asked for all information pertaining to my low mood and autism to be sent in. They have not specified how far back they want to go which leads me to conclude that they want everything from my initial diagnosis at age three upward. Which is utterly ridiculous.

I have provided screenshots of the above to assist. To view them clearly, copy the Imgur link and paste it into a new tab. Simply right-clicking them and then going 'Open in New Tab' doesn't seem to work.

1. Requested information:

2. Already provided/answered information:

In case of 2), if you cannot read my doctor's squiggles, this is what he wrote:



They use the same JSP 950 that the other branches use, correct? So why in God's good name did the doctor for the Royal Navy/Marines deem me medically fit? They didn't ask for all correspondence going back to when I was age three to make a decision.

In relation to the depression, page 4-L-3 (of JSP 950 Lft 6-7-7 (V1.7 Apr 20)) states the following:


.
Would anyone have any advice on getting through with this?


Perhaps they are checking that your depression and autism was not behind your withdrawal from the RM application and trying to decide if you will go through with the Army.
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Not sure if this is the correct board.

I'm a reservist due to mob next year to a hot and dusty place. I'm a little concerned that I may have one instance of heat exhaustion recorded. Is this likely to cause any issues?

Long story short it was a harbour extraction where I had been on sentry in my warm kit and didn't have time to dekit. Felt wobbly and had to take a seat. Smock, fleece and softie taken off, water given before being re inserted. (life lessons learnt) No further medical treatment and finished the exercise. I would like to hope these things are taken in context and won't effect wider fitness for mobilisation?

Thanks

This is more for recruitment than fitness to deploy queries but @theoriginalphantom might be able to give an opinion
 

theoriginalphantom

MIA
Book Reviewer
Not sure if this is the correct board.

I'm a reservist due to mob next year to a hot and dusty place. I'm a little concerned that I may have one instance of heat exhaustion recorded. Is this likely to cause any issues?

Long story short it was a harbour extraction where I had been on sentry in my warm kit and didn't have time to dekit. Felt wobbly and had to take a seat. Smock, fleece and softie taken off, water given before being re inserted. (life lessons learnt) No further medical treatment and finished the exercise. I would like to hope these things are taken in context and won't effect wider fitness for mobilisation?

Thanks

Yup not the right thread, that said I'd be surprised if this causes you any issues with deployment.
 
Perhaps they are checking that your depression and autism was not behind your withdrawal from the RM application and trying to decide if you will go through with the Army.
Morning Fang. My RM application hasn't been withdrawn, it's still ongoing. I narrowly failed the Admiralty Interview Board by two marks (so I was told by the officer who coached me for AIB), and it was some tweaks in presentation that would have gotten me over the line as I was given a lot of positive feedback overall. I opened up the Army Officer application intending to go for the Army Officer Internship, as that seemed an excellent way to experience life as a military officer for a year to a year and a half (besides, as it stands I have to wait 10 months approx. to retake AIB a second time - which isn't an uncommon occurrence as far as I have been told). After that, you can go regular, reserve or leave entirely. The plan was to either a) find I enjoy being an Army Officer so much that I decide to go regular in the Army, and put the Royal Marines to one side, or b) gain military and leadership experience with the internship and then return to the interview board for the Royal Marines as an even stronger candidate. Hope that clears things up there?
 
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Ive been medically defered with my case going to the Army SSMEs but was allowed to finish my assesment which i smashed.
What is the process now with SSMEs is it a case by case basis?
 
hello, 18 here and applied to join the army

i have a history of 1 episode of self harm over 2 days, leaving around 8 cutting scars on the upper thigh of my left leg. i did this at age 15 (3 years ago) within the week i found out the that my mother was pregnant from an affair that she had just told me about.

i disclosed my history of self harm on my medical triage phonecall.

after receiving my full medical records from the gp, army recruitment sent me this message:

Dear RickyBObsinthe,

I am writing to tell you that I have decided to allow your application to join the British Army to proceed to the next stage i.e. to allow you to be examined at an Assessment Centre (AC).

However, I have identified in your past medical history the following health problem which would usually result in your application being rejected on medical grounds:

Your history of self-harm at the age of 15, which you have self-declared during your Triage phone call on 17/09/2021.


Your Primary Health Care Record does NOT indicate that this problem has been fully resolved. However, as there is some element of doubt, I am giving you the best possible chance by recommending that you proceed for a face-to-face medical assessment rather than rejecting your application now. Therefore, you must understand that you could arrive at the Assessment Centre and be medically failed for this exact problem, when the Doctor there has been able to talk to you and examine you.

As always, I urge you to be totally honest about your health with the Staff at the AC as it is absolutely in your best interests.

I wish you good luck at the AC.

What happens next?

When you go to the Assessment Centre, you’ll have a medical, which will show us whether you’re fit and healthy enough to join.

We will be in touch with you soon to arrange the next steps.

Kind regards,

PHCR Practitioner
Medical Admin Team
Army National Recruiting Centre
0345 600 8080

kindly someone, please tell me what i am to make of this and my chances of being accepted.
 

Fang_Farrier

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hello, 18 here and applied to join the army

i have a history of 1 episode of self harm over 2 days, leaving around 8 cutting scars on the upper thigh of my left leg. i did this at age 15 (3 years ago) within the week i found out the that my mother was pregnant from an affair that she had just told me about.

i disclosed my history of self harm on my medical triage phonecall.

after receiving my full medical records from the gp, army recruitment sent me this message:

Dear RickyBObsinthe,

I am writing to tell you that I have decided to allow your application to join the British Army to proceed to the next stage i.e. to allow you to be examined at an Assessment Centre (AC).

However, I have identified in your past medical history the following health problem which would usually result in your application being rejected on medical grounds:

Your history of self-harm at the age of 15, which you have self-declared during your Triage phone call on 17/09/2021.


Your Primary Health Care Record does NOT indicate that this problem has been fully resolved. However, as there is some element of doubt, I am giving you the best possible chance by recommending that you proceed for a face-to-face medical assessment rather than rejecting your application now. Therefore, you must understand that you could arrive at the Assessment Centre and be medically failed for this exact problem, when the Doctor there has been able to talk to you and examine you.

As always, I urge you to be totally honest about your health with the Staff at the AC as it is absolutely in your best interests.

I wish you good luck at the AC.

What happens next?

When you go to the Assessment Centre, you’ll have a medical, which will show us whether you’re fit and healthy enough to join.

We will be in touch with you soon to arrange the next steps.

Kind regards,

PHCR Practitioner
Medical Admin Team
Army National Recruiting Centre
0345 600 8080

kindly someone, please tell me what i am to make of this and my chances of being accepted.


Best advice is to be as open and honest about the episode as you can
 

Craigpd1

Swinger
Hi does anybody have any advice or been through the appeal process of joing with a past pneumothorax? Any help or advice would be great.
Thanks
 

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