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Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
Okay so I’m wondering if anyone knows how long it takes for occupational physician to review your file and come back with an outcome? I’ve asked recruitment but they don’t know
Can you rephrase and hopefully you’ll get a clearer response from one of the users that monitor this thread. Are you currently deferred pending a report?
Are you TMU and appealing?
What exactly is your understanding of an “occupational physician”?
Do you simply mean how long does it take from submitting your application?
What stage of the process are you?

Come back with the answers and let’s see if anyone can help.


Some generic info though- Delays are usually caused by GP surgeries seeking payment upfront before providing the candidates information requested. The surgery will often claim they have responded but what they mean is they have submitted an invoice and await payment.

If your GP surgery claims non-receipt of a letter off Capita, contact your AFCO to request the letter re-send. If yoursurgery is adamant they have sent the requested medical information, it's usually a couple of weeks before you are contacted regarding the Face to Face (F2F) medical examination.

With regard appealing a decision made by SMOSE (Senior Medical Officer Service Entries), the only way a further appeal would succeed is if SMOSE had stated certain criteria needed to be met and those criteria were now fully met or fresh evidence reveals a misdiagnosis of the original condition.
 
First time poster, avid stalker of arrse for tips, research and a giggle.

On hearing the army is considering medical deferrals on a “case by case” basis I have been once again motivated to fight my case.

I applied to join the army last year and was declared PMU (p8). I was given the following clause as the reason:

“JSP 950 Part 1 Lft 6-7-7
NEUROLOGICAL PRE-ENTRY ANNEX G
4.G.14

Simple faint…Candidates with recurring faints are normally graded P8. “

Having being extremely disappointed on receiving the news I used my first medical appeal to basically write that I have had no other episodes besides the ones addressed in 2009 and 2013, making me (at the time) 6 years clear of any further medical problems. On speaking to my GP he addressed that both fainting episodes could not be directly pinned down to anything in specific and was most likely dehydration or a “hormonal thing” since I was merely only the age of 8 on my first episode and 12 on my second.

I am going to put another appeal in hopefully this time with some supporting letters from my GP.

I have tried looking into what the “expections” may be as it does say are “normally graded p8” however I’m struggling to find any further information besides what’s quite bluntly addressed in the original JSP.

Any other tips or words of advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

robbiep

Swinger
Okay so I’m wondering if anyone knows how long it takes for occupational physician to review your file and come back with an outcome? I’ve asked recruitment but they don’t know
Up to 12 weeks and they probably won't even make the final decision but refer you to somebody else adding another 12 weeks
 

Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
I had actually already posted before in this thread so didn’t want to repeat myself when asking more questions

I submitted an appeal just before Christmas and it had come back with that it was being referred to an occupational physician responsible for entry.
Was wondering if this is a straight forward procedure or whether it takes a while to hear a response? View attachment 444242
The response on your portal couldn’t be clearer. It’ll not be quick. You are in a a pile that is continuously being added to. 3 months at the quickest would be a safe bet.

Patience young man, patience.
 

JBaggy

Crow
Hi all, just wanted to get some insight on a finger injury I sustained.

Broke the PIP joint in my right ring finger (dominant hand) in 2016. Had an initial surgery to put it back together, and a second tenolysis to get it moving again. I've got normal grip strength and the majority of my dexterity back- only issue is that the ringer finger is pretty immobile at the joint so it sticks out a bit when I make a fist. Still able to exercise, weight lift etc.

I sent off my RGMD to my GP and was told by recruiters to highlight the section about arthritis to flag it for my GP.

Does anyone have any guidance on whether this is a likely rejection, or what steps I can take to mitigate this? Was told by the local unit that it should be fine as people have been let in before with amputated digits. Just wanted to get a second opinion from you guys, any help is much appreciated.
 
Hi
I got phase 1 in two months and my biggest fear getting injured during training... now I do a lot of exercise, I go to mma sessions 3 x a week, jog 3x times a week and go to the gym 2x a week. Any advise on injury prevention and should I start concentrate on body weight workouts rather than weighted workouts ?
 

Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
Hi
I got phase 1 in two months and my biggest fear getting injured during training... now I do a lot of exercise, I go to mma sessions 3 x a week, jog 3x times a week and go to the gym 2x a week. Any advise on injury prevention and should I start concentrate on body weight workouts rather than weighted workouts ?
Apply common sense. Phase one training is progressive so you have no need to go over board.

Try and keep it simple & do not try to do too much, too soon because preventing injury is a critical factor.

Injury prevention is infinitely better than having to endure the trials and tribulations of training too hard, too soon and not allowing your body to recover. Getting knocks, bumps & scrapes and training whilst injured will result in pushing your target further away.

Best of luck.
 

Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
Hi all, just wanted to get some insight on a finger injury I sustained.

Broke the PIP joint in my right ring finger (dominant hand) in 2016. Had an initial surgery to put it back together, and a second tenolysis to get it moving again. I've got normal grip strength and the majority of my dexterity back- only issue is that the ringer finger is pretty immobile at the joint so it sticks out a bit when I make a fist. Still able to exercise, weight lift etc.

I sent off my RGMD to my GP and was told by recruiters to highlight the section about arthritis to flag it for my GP.

Does anyone have any guidance on whether this is a likely rejection, or what steps I can take to mitigate this? Was told by the local unit that it should be fine as people have been let in before with amputated digits. Just wanted to get a second opinion from you guys, any help is much appreciated.
@amnesia or @DocSavage can hopefully clarify.
It used to be the case that broken fingers & toes are usually 6 months TMU & it counts as a pre-existing injury unfortunately. Occasionally GPs write a rather unhelpful letter stating something like "broken right tibia, 12/10/2010, fully recovered" - it doesn't actuallytell us anything, so sometimes further info isrequested to determine stuff such as the location,type of fracture, complications, treatment,surgery, plates, pins, restrictions, weakening, etc.
Sometimes people also selectively edit the copy of their medical history, so a full copy is requested. Just follow the process and don’t second guess it.

Plenty of information, advice and comment on this thread from others better qualified than I. Have a good read.
 
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Nclan

Crow
If he passed selection at Glencorse, and the medical issue is all that is holding him up then confirming his place at Harrogate is very quick, once he has been approved to proceed by the clinicians.

It can happen the same day if you have the right Recruiter.
If he passed selection at Glencorse, and the medical issue is all that is holding him up then confirming his place at Harrogate is very quick, once he has been approved to proceed by the clinicians.

It can happen the same day if you have the right Recruiter.
UPDATE, he's a week away from decision, report being reviewed by Doc at Glencourse now. (Eek).
It may still be a "No".
However, if it is a yes, the job places for Harrogate March intake are running out and he won't get a lot of choice in what he does if he gets in there at all.
My next question would be about Adult Entry,
How much different are the rules re signing up and being contacted to the Army?
Because just thinking from a parent's point of view, Harrogate enabled the chance to leave if it doesn't work out, whereas if he goes for Adult Entry, he might hate it but be stuck there. These are just my musings as a worrying parent and I haven't put him off at all. He's still enthusiastic about joining Army either way Junior or Adult entry, albeit a bit disappointed it's been taking so long & might miss Harrogate)
 

Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
UPDATE, he's a week away from decision, report being reviewed by Doc at Glencourse now. (Eek).
It may still be a "No".
However, if it is a yes, the job places for Harrogate March intake are running out and he won't get a lot of choice in what he does if he gets in there at all.
My next question would be about Adult Entry,
How much different are the rules re signing up and being contacted to the Army?
Because just thinking from a parent's point of view, Harrogate enabled the chance to leave if it doesn't work out, whereas if he goes for Adult Entry, he might hate it but be stuck there. These are just my musings as a worrying parent and I haven't put him off at all. He's still enthusiastic about joining Army either way Junior or Adult entry, albeit a bit disappointed it's been taking so long & might miss Harrogate)
Worry not. Joining as an adult does not mean “he will be stuck there” should he decide he wants to discharge.

See below :

Discharge as of Right (DAOR) as a New Recruit – Over 18 at date of enlistment. If this is your first enlistment in the Regular Army you have the right to claim your discharge, with no subsequent reserve liability. You may, subject to your completing 28 days’ service excluding leave, claim your discharge at any time before the end of 3 months from the date of your enlistment, but you do have to give 14 days’ notice to your Commanding Officer.

• Discharge as of Right (DAOR) as a New Recruit - Under 18 at date of enlistment. If this is your first enlistment in the Regular Army you have the right to claim your discharge, with no subsequent reserve liability. You may, subject to your completing 28 days' service excluding leave, claim your discharge at any time before the end of 6 months from the date of your enlistment, but you do have to give 14 days’ notice to your Commanding Officer.

• Discharge Under 18 ( In addition to the right to discharge in paragraph 14, all Service personnel retain a right to claim your discharge up to their 18th birthday once the DAOR period has expired. You must give notice in writing to your Commanding Officer before your 18th birthday. After a maximum cooling-off period of 3 months you will then be discharged unless you change your mind about leaving before the date of your discharge.
 
Dupuytren's Contracture:

little finger right hand, the operation went well, wound healing well, stitches out on Monday.
The lady Anaesatist leaned over me, needle in my hand "This is better than red wine (she read my notes), you have nice skin".
Suddenly I am in the recovery area.

Any advice?
 
I had actually already posted before in this thread so didn’t want to repeat myself when asking more questions

I submitted an appeal just before Christmas and it had come back with that it was being referred to an occupational physician responsible for entry.
Was wondering if this is a straight forward procedure or whether it takes a while to hear a response? View attachment 444242
if you are deferred at selection the process goes through 3 people starting at Capita, then onto an army approved specialist who is probably an army doctor yes and then an occupational physician responsible for entry so it is good. i passed ADSC a year ago but on caution and had to do some tests to prove i didn't have anything wrong with me so i done all the required tests needed and they came back clear but 10 months on in november i got told i had basically been approved by capita but rejected by the specialist. yet to appeal however.
 
quick question how many pages should an appeal be? will i also struggle if i literally cannot put any new info in my appeal but already have proof clearing me of any issues they thought i had?
 
Dupuytren's Contracture:

little finger right hand, the operation went well, wound healing well, stitches out on Monday.
The lady Anaesatist leaned over me, needle in my hand "This is better than red wine (she read my notes), you have nice skin".
Suddenly I am in the recovery area.

Any advice?
Yes. When the effects of the anaesthetic eventually wear off completely, try posting this in a thread that is not for prospective recruits.
 

Bobby_Bert

Old-Salt
quick question how many pages should an appeal be? will i also struggle if i literally cannot put any new info in my appeal but already have proof clearing me of any issues they thought i had?
Doesn’t have to be war & peace. Don't challenge the case yourself, just a brief courteous covering letter announcing you wish to appeal and then enclose the supporting qualified medical evidence for review by the experts.
The appeal should be framed in an effective, structured manner–based upon evidence–which focuses on what is specifically relevant.

Best o’luck.
 
Doesn’t have to be war & peace. Don't challenge the case yourself, just a brief courteous covering letter announcing you wish to appeal and then enclose the supporting qualified medical evidence for review by the experts.
The appeal should be framed in an effective, structured manner–based upon evidence–which focuses on what is specifically relevant.

Best o’luck.
nice one all that is done, just concerned because the stuff clearing me of any issues was given to them before i was rejected.
 
Hi all I applied for army reserves and just got a message on my portal that I’ve been declared permanently unfit for army as I had 3 episodes of uveitis my last episode was in 2018 and with that I’m HLA B27 positive that means I can suffer from spondylitis(lower back pain) in future but at this moment I’m fit and healthy no problems whatsoever. Has anyone been in the same situation as me. I’m appealing against the decision any tips would be appreciated.
 
Hi all I applied for army reserves and just got a message on my portal that I’ve been declared permanently unfit for army as I had 3 episodes of uveitis my last episode was in 2018 and with that I’m HLA B27 positive that means I can suffer from spondylitis(lower back pain) in future but at this moment I’m fit and healthy no problems whatsoever. Has anyone been in the same situation as me. I’m appealing against the decision any tips would be appreciated.

before you get your hopes up;

do you fit the criteria for entry to the armed forces (including the medical criteria) ? If yes, then you just need to prove that with whatever MEDICAL evidence you have.

If not then you'll be trying to convince the MoD that the entry criteria is wrong, this will be much harder to do.
 
before you get your hopes up;

do you fit the criteria for entry to the armed forces (including the medical criteria) ? If yes, then you just need to prove that with whatever MEDICAL evidence you have.

If not then you'll be trying to convince the MoD that the entry criteria is wrong, this will be much harder to do.
I do fit all the criteria as it says in army website. I do not have any medical conditions that states on army website. I had uveitis back in 2015 and then mild 2-3 episodes. It does not states anywhere as far as I’m concerned that it should bar my entry in army. Even when I spoke to my GP he said that ur eye problem was not that bad where u gonna loose ur vision my eye sight is 5/6 in both eyes without glasses. I have rung my consultant who treated me for it and she has kind enough to write me a supportive letter (bless her). All in all fingers crossed.


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