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Hi all,
Has anyone won an appeal for being rejected due to eczema on the hand in the past? I’m 16 now and applied as a regular in December, I received a message saying I’m rejected because of eczema on the hand. I had childhood eczema on my ears for about 1 year when I was 9, on one occasion only I visited the surgery to get some cream from the nurse and mentioned I had a rash on my hand, I’ve since found out she recorded it as eczema. It literally cleared up after taking antihistamines, I’ve spoke to my GP who said he’d happily help with an appeal and write that I’ve been clear of any eczema for 8 years, but there’s not much he can do about the entry about eczema on the hand on the medical records. I’m annoyed because it wasn’t diagnosed by a doctor, it was a nurse and surely a one off episode can’t be a definite diagnosis! Just wondering if these points would be worth mentioning or maybe get advice from a dermatologist specialist? Has anyone else had a similar problem? I’m gutted. Thanks
 
If you're past the 3 years without reoccurrence your appeal should be upheld. They might be a bit iffy with it being on your hand as I believe there's a special note in the JSP950 regarding it.

If you have a larger GP practice (more than 4ish GP's), there should be one on staff who has specialised in dermatology who's opinion might hold a bit more sway. Just be prepared to pay the practice a fair amount of cash for a single paragraph letter to post off with your appeal.

If you need any help with the particulars of appealing, send me a PM and I should be able to help you.
 
If you're past the 3 years without reoccurrence your appeal should be upheld. They might be a bit iffy with it being on your hand as I believe there's a special note in the JSP950 regarding it.

If you have a larger GP practice (more than 4ish GP's), there should be one on staff who has specialised in dermatology who's opinion might hold a bit more sway. Just be prepared to pay the practice a fair amount of cash for a single paragraph letter to post off with your appeal.

If you need any help with the particulars of appealing, send me a PM and I should be able to help you.
Thank you for the advice. Yes it’s the Hand that is the issue as it states it’s a bar no matter how significant. unfortunately it’s a small surgery so only 3 GPs and no specialists. The doctor has said he’ll have a letter ready for me on Monday so I’ll see what that says. Hopefully it will help.
 
Go ahead and appeal. You have nothing to lose and the worst case is 'they' still say no.
 
Thank you for the advice. Yes it’s the Hand that is the issue as it states it’s a bar no matter how significant. unfortunately it’s a small surgery so only 3 GPs and no specialists. The doctor has said he’ll have a letter ready for me on Monday so I’ll see what that says. Hopefully it will help.
Interesting one. As far as I know nurses in the UK are not allowed to diagnose a medical condition, or give independent medical advice without referral to a doctor - that means a Dr would have had to have looked at your hand and said, "yes I agree". So, if you were only seen by a nurse I would go and have a SERIOUS word with someone about getting it taken off your records, and having the nurse and surgery slapped.*

That aside. Go find yourself a consultant dermatologist at a BUPA hospital, or similar, get examined, you get a copy of the report anyway. Attach that report to your application and / or have your GP send it with your medical history and take it from there.

Eczema, my bottom. Lots of things kids stick their hands into things that give them rashes and skin burns, you simply learn not to stick your hand in nitric acid, or paint stripper again.

Good luck kiddo.

Edit: * As far as I am aware all a nurse can write is something like 'reddening to the skin', or 'patient complains of skin itching'. Factual but, without diagnosis.
 
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Interesting one. As far as I know nurses in the UK are not allowed to diagnose a medical condition, or give independent medical advice without referral to a doctor - that means a Dr would have had to have looked at your hand and said, "yes I agree". So, if you were only seen by a nurse I would go and have a SERIOUS word with someone about getting it taken off your records, and having the nurse and surgery slapped.*

That aside. Go find yourself a consultant dermatologist at a BUPA hospital, or similar, get examined, you get a copy of the report anyway. Attach that report to your application and / or have your GP send it with your medical history and take it from there.

Eczema, my bottom. Lots of things kids stick their hands into things that give them rashes and skin burns, you simply learn not to stick your hand in nitric acid, or paint stripper again.

Good luck kiddo.

Edit: * As far as I am aware all a nurse can write is something like 'reddening to the skin', or 'patient complains of skin itching'. Factual but, without diagnosis.
Thank you, this is what my parents are saying and have already pointed it out to the GP, So we’re going to see what the doctor writes in the letter and if he doesn’t refer to that then we are going back to him. Failing that, we will take it further. But it’s good to hear someone else’s view on it. Thank you, I’m starting to feel a bit more positive.
 
Also bear in mind it could also be a case of whoever is filling in your form at your practice checking a box (history of eczema: y/n), and it not asking for any further context which is getting you binned automatically. They can't tell someone with a single red rash misdiagnosed as an infant from someone who looks like a leper from Ben Hur, so they just play it safe and wait on you appealing with further information.

I heard a staggeringly high amount of appeals are being upheld, but I doubt those stats have been released, at least to the public, so it was probably someone talking out of their backside. Like I said, if you need any help with a cover letter, how to arrange your documents, where to post to, etc., drop me a PM. I have to thank Ninja_Stoker over on the Navy/Marines forum for helping me with mine (I think he has an account here as well).

I remember when I got the portal message declaring me PMU and my heart just sank to the floor, and I felt like that for the next few days. You'll feel much better once you post your letter off. I think appeals are handled by military staff themselves (judging by the address for appeals) and they want you in just as much as you want to join, so you tend to get a much fairer shake from them, but this is all just guesswork and assumptions.
 
Good day,

I have a condition called mallet finger, my ring finger can't curl / bend all the way in as it is stiff from the middle knuckle. I if I make a fist it looks like I'm flipping someone off. Would this disqualify me during medicals?

I can still grip weights, do pull ups, push ups on my knuckles etc.

I can understand not being eliga1ble for divisions or regiments that have a strong emphasis on hand to hand training but are there any I might be eligible for?
This does not sound like a mallet finger which should only affect the tip of your finger (or the most distal joint in the finger). Loss of movement in joint in your hand may be a reason for failing a medical as it may interfere with the ability to perform some tasks. You need to apply and be assessed and take what comes...
 
Hi,
Jumping on this thread as need some advice and can’t seem to find another way of getting on... newbie!
I have just had my Army application turned down on medical grounds as I broke my leg at the beginning of this year. I am fully fit and have a letter from the GP (who is a bone specialist) to say that I am fully healed and he sees no reason for me not to be able to join the Army and do all normal activities. I also have a letter from my physio to say the same. The Army have cited the reason as potential for early Osteoarthritis because of break. I want to appeal this, I am 20 and physically fit, I feel it is unfair to say that I could get a condition because I may not and also if I did it may not happen for 30/40 years, who knows. How do you think I should approach my appeal. I need to get the letter sent off by next week, so any constructive help would really be appreciated.
Cheers
If they are saying it is an arthritis risk it is because the break involves one of the joints in your leg (an intra-articular fracture). Any fracture needs at least 12 months of recovery but if it involves the joint surfaces then the risk of arthritis is increased. It may not take 30-40 yrs but can happen in 5-10 years depending on the injury
 
Hi

Totally confused with the medical stuff going on with my sons application. He's applied to join AFC Harrogate (he's in Y11) so would start in September, if successful.

The army have requested his medical notes from our GP - he's been in touch with army recruitment today who have told him that they have part of the notes but not the rest. Apparently GP's are soon going to have to provide medical notes free of charge so there's some confusion at the moment over what is given.

It's also frustrating in that I'm not sure what the guy at army recruitment ACTUALLY said and that the doctors will only speak to me (his mum) because he's not yet 16. So if I ring the doctors I'm only talking about a conversation I've had via hearsay.

Can anyone shed some light on this. Why are his notes in two halves???

Thanks
 
Hi

Totally confused with the medical stuff going on with my sons application. He's applied to join AFC Harrogate (he's in Y11) so would start in September, if successful.

The army have requested his medical notes from our GP - he's been in touch with army recruitment today who have told him that they have part of the notes but not the rest. Apparently GP's are soon going to have to provide medical notes free of charge so there's some confusion at the moment over what is given.

It's also frustrating in that I'm not sure what the guy at army recruitment ACTUALLY said and that the doctors will only speak to me (his mum) because he's not yet 16. So if I ring the doctors I'm only talking about a conversation I've had via hearsay.

Can anyone shed some light on this. Why are his notes in two halves???

Thanks
Speak to the GP & explain the army need his medical notes but there’s some missing, and you need them. Ask them why they’ve had some of them, not all & they should tell you why
 
Hi all I hope this is the right place to post this if not please tell me where to post and I will correct it.
Around June last year I had a very small hernia in the center of my abdomen and got it operated on as I wasn’t happy with the small lump there. It never caused me an issue medically and only got it operated on as I was going on holiday and didn’t want a small lump sticking out. Since my very minor surgery I haven’t had a problem either just a small scar to remind me what used to be there. I’ve got assesment at ac Lichfield on Monday and very worried about the medical as I know it can be difficult to pass with any previous medical history. Will it be ok or do you think I will get turned away as this will be heartbreaking I’ve worked so hard for months to get my fitness up and worried I won’t even get a chance to prove myself because of this. Thankyou in advance for any replies/advice
 
Hi all I hope this is the right place to post this if not please tell me where to post and I will correct it.
Around June last year I had a very small hernia in the center of my abdomen and got it operated on as I wasn’t happy with the small lump there. It never caused me an issue medically and only got it operated on as I was going on holiday and didn’t want a small lump sticking out. Since my very minor surgery I haven’t had a problem either just a small scar to remind me what used to be there. I’ve got assesment at ac Lichfield on Monday and very worried about the medical as I know it can be difficult to pass with any previous medical history. Will it be ok or do you think I will get turned away as this will be heartbreaking I’ve worked so hard for months to get my fitness up and worried I won’t even get a chance to prove myself because of this. Thankyou in advance for any replies/advice
Extract from JSP950 ( Annex E Para11 Gastrointestinal Pre Entry ) :

"Herniae
11. Candidates should normally be graded P8 if any hernia (inguinal, epigastric or incisional) is present. However, those with an easily reducible periumbilical hernia that does not affect physical activity may be graded P2. Candidates with repaired and soundly healed herniae may be graded P2 provided that they are able to tolerate activities comparable with military training/Service over a minimum period of 3 months . However, candidates with a repaired incisional hernia (especially if originally extensive) should be referred for specialist surgical advice as this type of hernia is more liable to recur."

I would tend not to worry too much as your minor hernia appears to be in the "repaired and soundly healed" category.
Get over to Lichfield and do your best, especially at physical where you are wanting to show them that your old minor hernia is not affecting you.

Good luck. Let us know how you got on.
 
Extract from JSP950 ( Annex E Para11 Gastrointestinal Pre Entry ) :

"Herniae
11. Candidates should normally be graded P8 if any hernia (inguinal, epigastric or incisional) is present. However, those with an easily reducible periumbilical hernia that does not affect physical activity may be graded P2. Candidates with repaired and soundly healed herniae may be graded P2 provided that they are able to tolerate activities comparable with military training/Service over a minimum period of 3 months . However, candidates with a repaired incisional hernia (especially if originally extensive) should be referred for specialist surgical advice as this type of hernia is more liable to recur."

I would tend not to worry too much as your minor hernia appears to be in the "repaired and soundly healed" category.
Get over to Lichfield and do your best, especially at physical where you are wanting to show them that your old minor hernia is not affecting you.

Good luck. Let us know how you got on.
Thankyou that has sort of put my mind at rest, appreciate the quick reply. Will let you know how I get on
 
Hi

Totally confused with the medical stuff going on with my sons application. He's applied to join AFC Harrogate (he's in Y11) so would start in September, if successful.

The army have requested his medical notes from our GP - he's been in touch with army recruitment today who have told him that they have part of the notes but not the rest. Apparently GP's are soon going to have to provide medical notes free of charge so there's some confusion at the moment over what is given.

It's also frustrating in that I'm not sure what the guy at army recruitment ACTUALLY said and that the doctors will only speak to me (his mum) because he's not yet 16. So if I ring the doctors I'm only talking about a conversation I've had via hearsay.

Can anyone shed some light on this. Why are his notes in two halves???

Thanks
Why dont you ring his recruiter at the ACC and actually ask what is missing?

He / she should be able to tell you the issue and then you can relate this to the GP.

The army require two documents from your GP (although this is changing very shortly), and it is quite common for GPs to send back one document and not the other.
 
Why dont you ring his recruiter at the ACC and actually ask what is missing?

He / she should be able to tell you the issue and then you can relate this to the GP.

The army require two documents from your GP (although this is changing very shortly), and it is quite common for GPs to send back one document and not the other.
I spent half an hour yesterday ringing between the ACC and my GP.

The receptionist was adamant that the £65 had not been paid. Capita guy contacted another dept (medical) who confirmed that the money had been paid via BACS transfer on the 15th Feb and even quoted a ref number.

Rang the doctors again and relayed all of that and they quickly said fine we will get the report sorted. Without that reference number I'm sure the receptionist would still be arguing the case. That's a month of wasted time. And it's only been sorted because I was finding it so frustrating. Definitely the GP practise at fault here! Fingers crossed all will be ok and an assessment date comes through soon.

Thanks for listening to me rant.
 
I spent half an hour yesterday ringing between the ACC and my GP.

The receptionist was adamant that the £65 had not been paid. Capita guy contacted another dept (medical) who confirmed that the money had been paid via BACS transfer on the 15th Feb and even quoted a ref number.

Rang the doctors again and relayed all of that and they quickly said fine we will get the report sorted. Without that reference number I'm sure the receptionist would still be arguing the case. That's a month of wasted time. And it's only been sorted because I was finding it so frustrating. Definitely the GP practise at fault here! Fingers crossed all will be ok and an assessment date comes through soon.

Thanks for listening to me rant.
You're not alone in this. Currently most of the hold ups with applications are because GP surgeries are not sending back the forms (this includes requests for additional information)

Candidates with efficient GP surgeries are flying through the process at the moment.

Just keep on at your GP and dont always believe what they tell you.
 
You're not alone in this. Currently most of the hold ups with applications are because GP surgeries are not sending back the forms (this includes requests for additional information)

Candidates with efficient GP surgeries are flying through the process at the moment.

Just keep on at your GP and dont always believe what they tell you.
I was quick to think it was Capita at fault, as I've read a few things about how unreliable and disorganised they are - but I can honestly say that the guys at the ACC have been brilliant.
 
I was quick to think it was Capita at fault, as I've read a few things about how unreliable and disorganised they are - but I can honestly say that the guys at the ACC have been brilliant.
Capita have significantly improved things to be fair, and have new processes coming in that will improve things even more - that said, if your GP doesnt send the form(s) back your application gets stuck.

On a positive note, it sounds like you have sorted it the worst of it and your GP is now playing ball.
 
March 23rd, 2018 I was medically deferred for a burst ear drum. The paperwork says that I am graded a p8 but can be graded p2 in no less than 3 months from spontaneous healing or surgery to repair it. The paperwork advises to discuss with GP and includes instructions on how to appeal. My GP and specialist says the hole in the ear drum is no longer there and has been healed for over 3 months. Now my questions are, is it too late to write to the medical team at Glencorse barracks with my appeal letter with evidence from gp and specialist? What would the next step to be taken after the medical receives my letter? Would I have to reapply? Is my URN expired? Any idea behind the timeframes, understanding the variables?
 

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