All about the TSR2, please

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The old man, was a flight sgt on the TSR2 project, as well as being involved in the BLUE STEEL project, did work on both in Aus and the UK,over a long period, very much "if i tell you, have to kill you" though.

I will have a look through his attic gear next time i am at the old homestead, pretty sure there were a few pic,s of the test pilots and the engineering guys. He was i remember totally pissed that both were junked for various reasons, although a lot of the lessons learned were incorporated into future projects that he was involved in when a civvie.
 
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scraped by the brits, copied by the yanks, reborn as the f 1,11 me thinks..................
No. The F111 had no link with the TSR 2 at all. It was home grown by the Cousins. The UK was down for about 50 after the TSR 2 was axed, but that order was axed too and we bought F4 Phantom's in the end. I believe that GD even built an RAF spec F111 before the UK programme was cancelled. The TSR 2 was a fantasic concept, but the very small wings (as dictated by it's low level, long range, nuclear strike role) would have lead to many operational issues. At operational fuel and weapon loads it would have taken a massive runway to take off safely.
However, it was a beauty.
 
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When I was stationed at Cranwell in the early 70s, there was the fuselage, engines and the electronics of a TSR2 all kept seperately in different departments of Trenchard Hall for the u/t engineers to have a shufty at a modern aircraft. I suspect that the bits have long since been disposed of.
 
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in one day it did a "photographic bombing run" over the kremlin and Whitehouse, when the photographic results where brought back to the government and someone had a panic attack over how good it was. There was a real feeling that if the russkies knew how good it was another missile crisis would ensue. The program was scrapped immediately, the wing technology went on to become part of concorde, some of the technology went into the lynx rotor blade design.

We were 30 years ahead of the americans in this technology shame really, until later this year when our spyplane was released proving that we are still the world leaders in this.

TSR 2 was and still is my favourite aircraft, I think the pilot had to lay down to fly it,
 
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I remember seeing (?) Richard Dimbleby on TV 'flying' a model TSR2 over some model trees and making a satirical comment. Had a look on the net, couldn't find it, but found some video footage here may help you - TSR2 The Untold Story - links near the bottom of the page - 2 Mandatory Testing For Politicians

You've asked for "all about the TSR2", so here is a childhood memory which I hope will add some bulk to your research. I was about 11 or 12 at the time of cancellation, and while I cannot remember all the details, I do recall that the adults were not happy with the decision.

Looking at it now, I think it was the start of Britain's version of the Cultural Revolution.
 
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armadillo said:
in one day it did a "photographic bombing run" over the kremlin and Whitehouse, when the photographic results where brought back to the government and someone had a panic attack over how good it was. There was a real feeling that if the russkies knew how good it was another missile crisis would ensue. The program was scrapped immediately, the wing technology went on to become part of concorde, some of the technology went into the lynx rotor blade design.

We were 30 years ahead of the americans in this technology shame really, until later this year when our spyplane was released proving that we are still the world leaders in this.

TSR 2 was and still is my favourite aircraft, I think the pilot had to lay down to fly it,
Presumably Armadillo you were already drunk at a New Year party when you wrote the above load of hoop…or is it a wah?!!

Regards,
MM
 
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When I was stationed at Cranwell in the early 70s, there was the fuselage, engines and the electronics of a TSR2 all kept seperately in different departments of Trenchard Hall for the u/t engineers to have a shufty at a modern aircraft. I suspect that the bits have long since been disposed of.
Before that date, mid sixties, the old man was at RAF Henlow having been posted from boscombe down, they had an airframe there for quite some time, way over the other side of the airfield, i can remember a comment by the old lady one day " i thought that you were posted off this project " he responded with something like it aint dead yet! but sadly it was. He finished with the RAF the following year and went to work for RR, headhunted would be the modern term.
 
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Sigh. why do we get moist over "might have beens". Yes it would have done what it said on the tin but as has been illuded to on other threads on the TSR2 it did have problems. Indeed if ARRSE was around in the 60's methinks it would have met with the same derision as the Typhoon gets within these threads. The undercarradge had massive problems, airframe amplitude on landing nearly blinded the pilots (sort of solved). range was not as advertised, electronics took up a space 8"x 10" and probably as reliable as a minis in the rain. All solveable of corse but wouldn't we moan about it? I remember waxing on about the TSR2 with two old hands at what was Bae warton who had a hand in the project. Both were rightly proud but Illuded to a big unfixable problem. I think it was gust response as I said on another thread. I read about this in a book that escapes me now but when the port wears off I will look it out. Don't get me wrong I love this aircraft but it was just generic in terms of development.It's just we killed off the blood line.
 
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Hi Magic,

The new labour government at the time were looking for an excuse to cut costs from the defence ministry at the time, when the test flight was carried out it panicked quite a few. It was scrapped as it had not gone into production and labour could be seen to be doing some good. The flight over two keypoint areas was its death knell, it was never released to the public about what it happened (cold war)

I wasnt drunk at the time of writing, my uncle worked on the aircraft. Also at the time there was a lot of pressure for us to adopt the F1-11. The TSR2 was ahead of its time and it is one aircraft that I admire greatly. To beat the Americans at there own game and having an aircraft that made the UK a world leader and having it taken away is I think a travesty.

In hindsight it happens today,
 
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My ex-boss Sir Barry Duxbury was one of the team at Boscombe Down. He received a letter from the Station Commander congratulating him on an AFC for his work and another from the air ministry congratulating him on an MBE for his work! After a discrete enquiry up the way the CofC decided on balance as the programme had now been cancelled, he could have an MBE rather than the AFC! but "well done" anyway...
 
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Before that date, mid sixties, the old man was at RAF Henlow having been posted from boscombe down, they had an airframe there for quite some time, way over the other side of the airfield, i can remember a comment by the old lady one day " i thought that you were posted off this project " he responded with something like it aint dead yet! but sadly it was. He finished with the RAF the following year and went to work for RR, headhunted would be the modern term.
The RAF engineering officers used to train at Henlow and moved late 60s ish to RAFC Cranwell, presumably they took their TSR2 with them.
 
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My ex-boss Sir Barry Duxbury was one of the team at Boscombe Down. He received a letter from the Station Commander congratulating him on an AFC for his work and another from the air ministry congratulating him on an MBE for his work! After a discrete enquiry up the way the CofC decided on balance as the programme had now been cancelled, he could have an MBE rather than the AFC! but "well done" anyway...
nothing changes !!
 
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The RAF engineering officers used to train at Henlow and moved late 60s ish to RAFC Cranwell, presumably they took their TSR2 with them.
Yes that's what poppa did, trained a lot of the next generation, totally not amused when i decided not to go RAF engineering, he had pulled a few favours on the old boys network to get me in, not that i was thick!! but who you know beats what you know sometimes.
Interestingly researching a little bit about Henlow i cannot find reference to TSR2 or the engineering college!