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Alert over radioactive packages in Edinburgh

#6
deSTABlised said:
Link worked for me. You'd have to go far to find a more fact free bit of reporting though. Almost reminds me of the 'Daily Hate'.
Of course, it's early days so there are no facts apart from the fact that objects have been found that could be radioactive. It'll probably turn out to be something harmless, like a few smoke alarms or something.
 
#9
What a joke. Full National Plan of Action for radiation incidents rolled out.

Cordon thrown up, specialist decontamination equipment and staff, 8 pumps, 28 firecrew, countless Plod plus paramedics, Scottish Environment Protection Agency staff and sundry "inter agency" bods milling around. Why?

Because somebody called a full alert after a cleaner found in a cupboard full of old school science lab kit two boxes marked "radioactive sources".

This huge public danager was dealt with by said specialists bunging it a plastic bag and taking it away

It appears that there is no assesment and scaling of response: once an alert is called (even by a mong) it is all or nothing.
 
#12
Blogg said:
What a joke. Full National Plan of Action for radiation incidents rolled out.

Cordon thrown up, specialist decontamination equipment and staff, 8 pumps, 28 firecrew, countless Plod plus paramedics, Scottish Environment Protection Agency staff and sundry "inter agency" bods milling around. Why?

Because somebody called a full alert after a cleaner found in a cupboard full of old school science lab kit two boxes marked "radioactive sources".

This huge public danager was dealt with by said specialists bunging it a plastic bag and taking it away

It appears that there is no assesment and scaling of response: once an alert is called (even by a mong) it is all or nothing.
Oh yeah.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/11/uksecurityandterrorism
 
#13
Blogg said:
What a joke. Full National Plan of Action for radiation incidents rolled out.

Cordon thrown up, specialist decontamination equipment and staff, 8 pumps, 28 firecrew, countless Plod plus paramedics, Scottish Environment Protection Agency staff and sundry "inter agency" bods milling around. Why?

Because somebody called a full alert after a cleaner found in a cupboard full of old school science lab kit two boxes marked "radioactive sources".

This huge public danager was dealt with by said specialists bunging it a plastic bag and taking it away

It appears that there is no assesment and scaling of response: once an alert is called (even by a mong) it is all or nothing.
grippar said:
Over reaction by someone who should know better....duh!
Glad you pair know better and have a complete grasp of the response to such incidents.

PAIR OF FECKING MONGS it's easy to criticise with hindsight.

This was a CBRN incident, not a false alarm. The response assumes a worst case scenario and not a 'lets hope for the best'.

Unfortunately due to OPSEC reasons I can't flame you more.
 
#14
dingerr said:
Blogg said:
What a joke. Full National Plan of Action for radiation incidents rolled out.

Cordon thrown up, specialist decontamination equipment and staff, 8 pumps, 28 firecrew, countless Plod plus paramedics, Scottish Environment Protection Agency staff and sundry "inter agency" bods milling around. Why?

Because somebody called a full alert after a cleaner found in a cupboard full of old school science lab kit two boxes marked "radioactive sources".

This huge public danager was dealt with by said specialists bunging it a plastic bag and taking it away

It appears that there is no assesment and scaling of response: once an alert is called (even by a mong) it is all or nothing.
grippar said:
Over reaction by someone who should know better....duh!
Glad you pair know better and have a complete grasp of the response to such incidents.

PAIR OF FECKING MONGS it's easy to criticise with hindsight.

This was a CBRN incident, not a false alarm. The response assumes a worst case scenario and not a 'lets hope for the best'.

Unfortunately due to OPSEC reasons I can't flame you more.


Oh, go on - we wont tell! :twisted:
 
#15
dingerr said:
Blogg said:
What a joke. Full National Plan of Action for radiation incidents rolled out.

Cordon thrown up, specialist decontamination equipment and staff, 8 pumps, 28 firecrew, countless Plod plus paramedics, Scottish Environment Protection Agency staff and sundry "inter agency" bods milling around. Why?

Because somebody called a full alert after a cleaner found in a cupboard full of old school science lab kit two boxes marked "radioactive sources".

This huge public danager was dealt with by said specialists bunging it a plastic bag and taking it away

It appears that there is no assesment and scaling of response: once an alert is called (even by a mong) it is all or nothing.
grippar said:
Over reaction by someone who should know better....duh!
Glad you pair know better and have a complete grasp of the response to such incidents.

PAIR OF FECKING MONGS it's easy to criticise with hindsight.

This was a CBRN incident, not a false alarm. The response assumes a worst case scenario and not a 'lets hope for the best'.

Unfortunately due to OPSEC reasons I can't flame you more.
You might consider why, in numerous policy documents and in first responder training, it is very clearly set out that a CBRN response must be limited to deliberate and malicious acts designed to cause harm or fear amongst a population by using or threatening to use CBRN materials and substances.

Accidental and conventional chemical incidents/spillages and radiological events are not subject to CBRN policy and should be dealt with in accordance with HAZMAT procedures.

The trouble is that when the only tool in your box is a hammer then everything starts to look like a nail. Since you are familair with the topic you will understand the clear danger that will emerge if the high rate of CBRN false alarms continues and why people are getting concerned about that

I agree it is not easy. For example the full response to the small matter of a cook dry frying red chillis in central London last year was appropriate because a number of people did suffer a physical response that could have been indicative of some far worse.

But some tiny enclosed samples used as sources for school experiments found in a box with no indication of malicious use? Come on now, first responders have to use their smarts, call the risk as CBRN, HAZMAT or bugger all to worry about and initiate a scale of response accordingly.

The blunt All or Nothing approach is unsustainable
 

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