Alastair Campbell - approaching the Earth's core and still digging strongly

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Auld-Yin

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Alistair Campbell would not recognise the Truth if it bit him on the ARRSE!
 
#3
Let's face it they have all lied so much about Iraq and Afghanistan, I doubt any of them even know what the truth of either is anymore. They have lived the lie and it probably seems like reality to them.
 

mercurydancer

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I couldnt read more than a sentence of the article before the phrase "Campbell is a tit" came into my mind and with each sentence the phrase just grew louder and louder.
 
#5
I know I'm going to get popped in the ass for this but history tends to back up his assertions.

I just think we expect things to be much more open today than back in the 30s and 40s. They used to lie to them about all sorts under the flag of National/Wartime security and a need to know. As far as they were concerned THEN, no ****** needed to know anything!
 
#6
If Churchill "lied" then it was because we were already in a war and it is well known who/what the first casualty of war is. I suggest that Churchill's "lies" were used to deceive and confuse the enemy when we were fighting for our national survival. Bliar's "lies" on the other hand were used to deceive Parliament and the electorate and get us into a war when there was no threat or suggestion that our national survival was at risk - a very different situation to that which faced Churchill.
 

Command_doh

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the Cnut Campbell doesn't understand the difference between subversion, subterfuge and misdirection and bare faced lies.

He is a horrific w@nker, an intolerably belligerent lefty c0ck, and has a worship/lackey fixation-relationship with the vile B-Liar.


And what the fukk is going on with this swear filter again? It's another step backwards.
 
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baldof put that very well. Meh, Campbell comparing his old boss to Churchill, joke of the week. Blair and his cohorts on the comeback trail doing a bit of PR? Bliar's kept his head down for a bit and played international power-broker abroad, while his former government left Britain skint and in meltdown awash with excessive immigration nobody could control. Even Milliband owned up. Blair and Campbell, you can often judge folk by the company they keep. How come everybody I speak to thinks Bliar is a war-monger? Not even close to Churchill in any shape or form, never will be.
 
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I know I'm going to get popped in the ass for this but history tends to back up his assertions.

I just think we expect things to be much more open today than back in the 30s and 40s. They used to lie to them about all sorts under the flag of National/Wartime security and a need to know. As far as they were concerned THEN, no ****** needed to know anything!
Try comparing a newspaper of the time with what you know of that period. Take a look at one of the House of Commons debates about one of the great wartime disasters, such as the fall of Singapore. It was a war of national survival if ever there was one, but I think you'll be surprised with how much was out there in the public domain.
 
#10
Campbell, like most of those in Blair's inner circle is a deeply unpleasant, borderline sociopathic individual, completely incapable of contrition. The egregious sofa politics that they practiced were responsible for some of the worst policy decisions in living memory both foreign and domestic.
Instead of admitting their failings they try to obfuscate and draw absurd comparisons like the one in the article.
Campbell, Blair, Mandelson, Straw, reptiles all.
The recent three part series on Iraq on the BBC only served to reinforce the complete absence of regret and the continued increasingly hollow insistence that they were right.
 

Trans-sane

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Checking the comments section, one individual by the user-name Tanneradozen clearly needs to have their dose of Priadel increased quiet dramatically. I quote:-

"Blair is hated because he was Leader of the labour party. Churchill is reveared because he was leader of the Conservatives and right wing. The right wing controlled Fourth Estate has the final say on whom is honoured and respected and who is hated in the UK and the world."

"Is the point of the article that Churchill was a bigger and better liar than Blair? No contest if truth be known.

When Churchill was broadcasting on the radio "We`ll fight them on the beaches and landing strips" and "We`ll never surrender" or "You can always take one with you" all the British gold reserves and crown jewels and other portable wealth had been sent to the Sun Life Insurance Co. in Montreal third basement vaults. This "secret" was released in 1977.

Churchill was very lucratively privately funded by an extremely wealthy Jewish group from the early 1930`s that paid off the high mortgage on Churchill`s estate and saved the Churchills from declaring bankruptcy in the Great Depression.
Winston Churchill was able to persuade the aristocratic ruling elite and wealthiest top 5% of the British establishment that Hitler would not guarantee and honour their extensive property rights when he invaded after the fall of France and it was this more than anything else why Britain struggled on against the might of the Axis instead of accepting peace terms.
It turned out that Hitler did guarantee property rights in France .London was blitzed but the ruling elite put that down to instant slum clearance"

(note I've slightly edited some of the paragraph structure and punctuation to make it vaguely readable. What a babbling muppet...)
 

Wordsmith

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It seems that Tony Blair's one-time media guru has trouble understanding the difference between deception to save lives and win a war of national survival, and gross deception in order to provide the pretext for an unnecessary war of choice waged for political advantage and in order to bezzer up to George W.

And folk still wonder why the UK is in bits.Tony Blair more truthful about war than liar Winston Churchill, says Alistair Campbell - Telegraph
So Winston Churchill played a pivotal role in saving the UK from one of the vilest dictatorships in history.

Someone remind me what history will remember Blair for in 50 years time?

Wordsmith
 
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...When Churchill was broadcasting on the radio "We`ll fight them on the beaches and landing strips" and "We`ll never surrender" or "You can always take one with you" all the British gold reserves and crown jewels and other portable wealth had been sent to the Sun Life Insurance Co. in Montreal third basement vaults. This "secret" was released in 1977...
So what? Seems sensible enough, the Poles did the same with their gold reserves before they were over-run. The "We'll fight them on the beaches" speech directly addressed this possibility:

we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
 
#14
The only instance (that I am aware of) where the Government in World War Two were constantly deceptive about policy, the word "Lied" could have been used to characterise Parliamentary statements, was in regard to the policy of bombing Germany. Namely "Area Bombing" and the constant failure to publicly admit to the true intent of this policy. Throughout the war, Ministers from Churchill on down evaded characterisations that were clearly made in government papers about the intent behind bombing German cities. However there is no instance I know of, where Churchill or Archibald Sinclair (Secretary of State) actually knowingly fabricated the contents of their statements (a more sympathetic reader than I may have called it "public Wishful thinking")
Having actually read several hundred Cabinet and air Ministry documents, it is irrefuatable that they were not in line with what was being said in the public domain. Even there, admittedly with the full connivance of the PM, it was the Secretary of State for Air made the majority of the misleading statements.
To characterise Winston Churchill's comments in the manner that Campbell has, is inaccurate, silly and downright scurrilous.
 
#15
I see Campbell as a pantomime character.

"Tony didn't lie as much as ? Jimbo"

"Oh yes he did !!"

"Well Tony didn't lie as much as Winston Churchill"

"Cunning c-nt !!"
 
#16
I remember around the time of the press hacking revelations, Campbell going on air to discuss his hurt feelings at the beastly things the papers had said about him and how unfair it all was.

This, you will remember, from one of the most foul-mouthed and aggressive bullies ever to have defiled public office. Further, the fact that he could whine about his hurt feelings after having gleefully hounded David Kelly to suicide for the offence of telling the truth, and that no member of the media called him on it, shows how quick journos are to give one of their own a free ride.
 
#17
I have worked with Campbell when he was a Jurno, I can tell you he was one of the most aggressive, vile, bullying cocks I have ever had to deal with and trust me I have known quite a few Jurnos. He has no shame, remorse or morals he truly thinks he is right and any one that dares says different will feel the force. Malcolm Tucker has nothing on him.
 
#19
I saw him recently on a long-ago-aired Top Gear episode. He is perhaps the only person who has ever made my skin crawl....
 

Fang_Farrier

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Try comparing a newspaper of the time with what you know of that period. Take a look at one of the House of Commons debates about one of the great wartime disasters, such as the fall of Singapore. It was a war of national survival if ever there was one, but I think you'll be surprised with how much was out there in the public domain.
Similarly with some of the Parlimentary debates in WW1. All reported at the time.
 

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