Alan Johnson and his Knee Jerk Reaction to ASB

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  1. Alan Johnson accuses police of failing on anti-social behaviour :roll:

    Yep lets all blame the police!
    (In our *case I couldn't and still cant praise the police enough!)

    This is so typical of those who look at the 'short term' solution to, at the end of the day, win votes.

    So, my reply to Mr Johnson was :-

    I’m finding it very difficult to write a fully educated comment on this as I can’t find any reports used by the Home Office to come up with this new all singing all dancing plan.

    I’ve looked on line, even at Reuters, I’ve looked at both the Home Office and Parliamentary website and I can find nothing that shows that a full, impassionate review of the treatment of victim/witnesses of ASB has taken place. I fear that what I am reading is a rapid response, kneejerk reaction to the comments of Assistant Deputy Coroner Davison at the Pilkington Inquest.

    I want to know more, I want to see what evidence has been gathered discussing failures of all agencies across the nation, and I want to see discussions of agencies that offer good practise to victims of ASB but there does not seem to be any.
    If these investigations and reports exists then I apologise for this but as one of my Uni lecturers used to say to me “Cite your source!”
    (Looking at the HO and Parliamentary websites, some of your sources are seriously out of date!)

    So I will ask here:
    How many victims have been questioned, how many of those actually stayed the ground to go on to be witnesses and if they didn’t, why didn’t they?
    And, just as importantly how many ASB practitioners, police officers, GP’s, County & Local Councillors, magistrates, judiciary, borough solicitors, housing officers etc etc etc have been given the opportunity to speak freely, without fear of reprisal about what they have experienced in their dealings with victims of ASB?

    The victims of ASB and those police officers, council workers, and other agency staff who work so hard, often with their hands tied by bureaucracy and/or in house complacency, deserve a FULL review of what has failed, what has worked and how we can stop failing victims in the future.

    That is why I initiated a petition for a full ASB Policy Review on the number10dotgov website. I, a victim, don’t want a ‘band-aid’ instant fix; I want a long-term viable cure.

    *If you haven't read our story it can be found here.
  2. Yeah, we're failing on ASB.

    But if the urge to go out an grip these mongs that infest our streets hadn't been systematically bred out of cops since 1997, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first bloody place.

    Stop slips, the IPCC and their complaints culture everywhere, a spineless CPS and senior officers drunk on performance figures; no wonder no one thinks controlling the streets is the way forward.

    "To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them". Peel's 9th principle of policing.

    True then. True now.

    Not that anyone in HMG gives a flying.
  3. So basicallly after 12 years of New Liebour social engineering they're claiming it's not there fault?
  4. LancePrivateJones

    LancePrivateJones LE Book Reviewer

    This is not the fault of the Police. Their hands have been tied.

    It is also not the fault of the Courts, their hands have also been tied. Magistrates and Circuit Judges despair at what has been done to limit their sentencing powers.

    The 'Tying of hands' has been done by the Government who for some inexplicable reason seem to find some sympathy (and perhaps, empathy) with the offending classes.

    This is down to the Govt hands down.

    End of.
  5. Wow!! Its like the Nues Arbeits blaming all the UK's social ills on the Tory's for the past 12 years. Typical Nues Arbeits response.... As has been stated, it was Nues Arbeits in government that have created the legal hoops that the Police and Courts have to go through....

    "The Home Secretary today accused police officers of failing to deal with anti-social behaviour as the Government called for more offenders to be prosecuted for breaching Asbos.

    Alan Johnson warned of a “mindset” among some officers who ignore families besieged by yobs as he set out a tougher approach to anti-social behaviour with new targets for councils and police forces."

    How many Home secretaries, and Ex Home secretaries have there been in the past 12 years? "Not Fit For Purpose!" was stated by one of them.... :roll: .

    F*ck Nues Arbeits..... and F*ck Mr Jolly-stone.......
  6. Neues Arbeit :wink:

  7. Wot 'e said.

    I used to have a lot of time for Plod, and a lot of Respect too, but, since the advent of "Yuman Rites innit" and the Risk Aversion syndrome practised by some Plodistas, I have come more and more to have neither time nor respect for them as a Force. Individualy I feel sorry for them, those that want to actualy BE Policemen that is, but sadly until things get back to the way they used to be when a Bobby was seen on the street and yobs vanishing from street corners at sight of him then my feelings of disenchantment will just simmer on.

    My Grandkids Godfather is a Plod though, errrmmm! :wink: :wink: :wink:
  8. I am soooooooooo thick. I am soooooooooooo dopey.


    Because I thought the stupid liberal attitude to criminals was the fault of the heavily politicised police.

    Now, it has become clear that the problem is entirely the fault of the dreadful government that we have suffered for twelve and a half years.
  9. ZANU-Labour have been in charge for 12 very long years. The buck stops with them. End of.

    As for the police, I've met some who were a waste of rations, others who were a credit to the Job. And the majority probably somewhere in the middle ground. All the good coppers I spoke to were of the opinion that anyone above the rank of Inspector was as much a politician as a copper, although there were exceptions to that rule.
  10. LancePrivateJones

    LancePrivateJones LE Book Reviewer

    Ah well.

    Now you know better.

  11. The way our Police Farces are set up, you HAVE to become a politician when you get to Inspector.
  12. At the inquest into the deaths of Mrs Pilkington and her daughter Francecca, Supt Steve Harrod from Leicestershire Police said town halls and not the police should deal with “low level” anti-social behaviour.

    The Home Secretary admitted that ministers had also “cruised” on the issue recently and that progress had stalled as the focus shifted to anti-terrorism

    Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. Pot..Kettle. Top cops and Politicians, is there any difference? Old time coppers must have ground their teeth down to stubs in the last ten years. Even the old time Specials were better than the new young breed of plod.
  13. Well Monty, that;s becuase Liebour sees the main duty of the Police as being to act as enforcers of social equality and diversity. They hold that crime is caused by a lack of those too, therefore, if you produce a totally equal and diverse society you will create a socialist heaven on Earth,
    All b0llox I know, but that;s the way the left thinks.
  14. Well Monty, that's becuase Liebour sees the main duty of the Police as being to act as enforcers of social equality and diversity. They hold that crime is caused by a lack of those two, therefore, if you produce a totally equal and diverse society you will create a crime free socialist heaven on Earth.

    All b0llox I know, but that's the way the left thinks.
  15. My bold....

    Oh how true..

    Note to self,

    Never sentence anyone to 42 days in prison on a Friday........

    under our new laws...

    42 days sentence is now 21 days sentence.

    Less prison governors 18 allowance, is 3 days

    Fist day of prison is today (Friday).

    You can only release from prison Monday to Friday – can't release on a Sunday

    Therefore prisoner is released same day as sentence. - 42 days served and £50 housing grant.