Alabama USA: Medieval or religious fundamentalist thinking?

DaManBugs

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#61
By the standards out here many of you folks pretty much are. Be very careful about using that term, because it is a double edged sword. I didn't see Alabama letting 1400 or so kids be abused and exploited whilst everybody turned a blind eye because they didn't want to be seen as being bigots.
That's probably because 95 percent of Alabama residents are close blood relatives anyway. Which would explain the negative IQ results in the state.

MsG
 
#62
What’s the thread title?

Is it about Rotherham? No it’s about the latest attempt in the US to portray itself (successfully) as a country determined to drag itself backwards.

There was a huge thread on here about Rotherham which, guess what, was almost entirely condemnatory about The spineless manner in which our various agencies conducted themselves.

You do realise it’s possible to condemn more than one thing at once, yes?

And as far as I have seen, no one on here is claiming that the UK is in perfect shape or gets everything right.

You are quite welcome to start any other number of threads detailing any and all of the issues that afflict the UK. But don’t try and derail this one by shouting ‘oh look, a squirrel.’ You can do better than that.
I used Rotherham to make a point, because you are judging morality in a different culture based on how you conduct yourselves in Far Far Away. What you consider backwards might not be viewed as such by the natives. I enjoy the debate, but I also realize that judging your society by standards here will not go over well. Perhaps you should also take a step back and figure out who you are dealing with before you get all judgmental?

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Alabama is far from alone.
 
#63
However, I also recognise that the only person who can make the decision for or against an abortion is the women herself.
MsG
On this we agree

It's no business of anyone else's, and least of all some dozy, indifferent judge/lawmaker whose life won't be affected in any way whatsoever, regardless of how a woman may decide.

MsG
That judge / law maker may be female - although its fallaciously implied all are men - because that silences opposition because sexist etc.

The thing is you have to look at society as a whole and where its positioned.
To be slightly fatuous - it doesn't affect you if I kill my wife - society deems this somewhat undesirable and the law reflects that.

Same with every other law - as society changes laws are modified to reflect this. That Judges etc uphold a law that reflects society doesn't make them prejudiced (they may personally disagree).
If the law is in place - chances are the bulk support it and a very vocal minority - convinced its the majority screeching about oppression wont change that.
Unfortunatly sometimes bugger off and live ezlsewhere is the only choice if your own values dont reflect the society in which you live.

I for one would have to consider moving if FN becomes the Political power in France -

As such you can expect deeply religious nations to be anti abortion and somewhat lacking in gay rights - and whilst I dont agree with them - these are very different issues to outright persecution of Homosexuals and subjugation of women - it doesn't help the cause when - Nation Tolerates them but doesn't support gay rights is lumped in with throws puffs off roof tops.
 
#65
Alabama has just passed an anti-abortion law that defies belief as far as I'm concerned. It would appear to be religious fundamentalism gone to extremes or is it a vote-grabbing exercise. What's your take on it?
Alabama passes bill banning abortion
Representative Democracy isn't always fun. Alabamians elected those leaders knowing their positions on Abortion. It will be blocked by the fed courts, but isn't it the right of states to enact laws legally?

I'm not a religious person, but I think Abortion is pure murder but the SCOTUS believes otherwise
 
#66
However, I also recognise that the only person who can make the decision for or against an abortion is the women herself. It's no business of anyone else's, and least of all some dozy, indifferent judge/lawmaker whose life won't be affected in any way whatsoever, regardless of how a woman may decide.

MsG
IF a woman is the only one who gets a say then why do Men (and Women)who never met her have to pay for her choice with their taxes in the USA?
 
#67
IF a woman is the only one who gets a say then why do Men (and Women)who never met her have to pay for her choice with their taxes in the USA?
More importantly if we are all expected to recognize the rights of the LGBT community, why not recognize the rights of the unborn?? Liberals hate it when you use their arguments and tweak them slightly and hit them back with it.
 
#68
I know it is a true representation of life and attitudes, mainly in the south but, also wider spread and not quite as ravingly fundamentalist in the north-east and California. The north-east and California tend to follow more conventional religious beliefs and attitudes as we would recognise the in euro-land, whereas the south tends to be a bit more along the lines of the inquisition in its approach to religion.

What I have found interesting in the world of commercialised, fundamtalist, border on the cult, style of religion is that it is not only catholics who do confession. We have a mega-church locally of some non-catholic flavour where they may attend confession..............for $7 and any other additional amount you may be willing to give the pastor so that he can buy that private jet to atone for your sins.

People bang the drum about members of the religion of peace being zealots and fanatics, well I can honestly say I have met their 'christian' counterparts.
I don't have much experience of the south, especially AL - usually tend to fly straight over it to FL when visiting fam.

I do like Charolette, NC though. Sort of an in between north and south blend - especially since they have so many Euros there now because of Volvo, Mercedes etc.
 
#69
I used Rotherham to make a point, because you are judging morality in a different culture based on how you conduct yourselves in Far Far Away. What you consider backwards might not be viewed as such by the natives. I enjoy the debate, but I also realize that judging your society by standards here will not go over well. Perhaps you should also take a step back and figure out who you are dealing with before you get all judgmental?

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Alabama is far from alone.
I am struggling here..are you saying we shouldn’t condemn Alabama for its hateful, intolerant religiously motivated bigotry because there are loads of other states full of hateful intolerant bigots who think they have the right to determine other women’s reproductive choices?
 
#70
Representative Democracy isn't always fun. Alabamians elected those leaders knowing their positions on Abortion. It will be blocked by the fed courts, but isn't it the right of states to enact laws legally?

I'm not a religious person, but I think Abortion is pure murder but the SCOTUS believes otherwise
It’s only an abortion. Just one less mouth to feed, that’s all. The world could do with fewer people, as we are being forever told.
 
#71
IF a woman is the only one who gets a say then why do Men (and Women)who never met her have to pay for her choice with their taxes in the USA?
So if she had the kid and you all paid for it because she could not, that’s OK?
Pennies for the abortion versus 10s of thousands bringing up an unwanted child? Poor economic argument.
 
#72
More importantly if we are all expected to recognize the rights of the LGBT community, why not recognize the rights of the unborn?? Liberals hate it when you use their arguments and tweak them slightly and hit them back with it.
Rights of the unborn? How do they even have rights in the first place?

I am not saying late stage pregnancies should be terminated but a women's right should be hers (it's her body FFS!) when dealing with it - not decided by a bunch of men sitting somewhere else who have no idea what a women goes through.
 
#73
Rights of the unborn? How do they even have rights in the first place?

I am not saying late stage pregnancies should be terminated but a women's right should be hers (it's her body FFS!) when dealing with it - not decided by a bunch of men sitting somewhere else who have no idea what a women goes through.
Who were elected by females and males as well... So there is a reason why they get to decide, as they are the chosen representative for the people who voted for them.

You can have the wiki link...

Fetal rights - Wikipedia
 
#75
I am struggling here..are you saying we shouldn’t condemn Alabama for its hateful, intolerant religiously motivated bigotry because there are loads of other states full of hateful intolerant bigots who think they have the right to determine other women’s reproductive choices?
Well that and being foreigners who like to throw stones. Women vote for these pro life politicians as well. They do get to go to the ballot and make a choice. So maybe many of them are not ultra Feminists which might be hard to grasp???
 

Sarastro

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#76
#77
Look, I know I didn't return the tape cassette to you in 1973, but you'd pushed off to face down the Turks in Cyprus and I'd moved to Colchester to do battle with the Peace Pledge Union (they refused to fight, which was nice). You've had any number of chances to replace it since then, so stop complaining. Anyway, here it is courtesy of the Internet, free of postage costs:
 
#78
I suppose some of those Alabamians may look to the UK and consider the fact the state will allow you to abort a healthy foetus in it's seventh month of life for the sake of convenience as barbaric and inhuman.

Abortion
 
#79
I treat all religions equally. It immediately marks a person out as untrustworthy to me, and to be cautious about any statements they make as there may be an ulterior motive behind it.
 
#80
More importantly if we are all expected to recognize the rights of the LGBT community, why not recognize the rights of the unborn?? Liberals hate it when you use their arguments and tweak them slightly and hit them back with it.
Maybe because the LGBT community are living humans and the 'unborn' is often a collection of dividing cells, many of which will be miscarried without the mother even realising?

If we have the rights of the unborn, what about the rights of a tumour?

I suppose some of those Alabamians may look to the UK and consider the fact the state will allow you to abort a healthy foetus in it's seventh month of life for the sake of convenience as barbaric and inhuman.

Abortion
Maths isn't your strong point, is it. 24 weeks = 168 days = 5 1/2 months. That is the legal limit, most will happen before that point. Factor in that babies born before that 24 week cutoff have a low chance of survival and high chance of disability and it doesn't seem that unreasonable, given any limit is going to be arbitrary.
 

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