Al-Qaida founder blasts successor bin Laden

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  1. Just saw this article in Haaretz where the bloke says some things that many here have said before, like in this bit

  2. I would say that the overwhelming majority of Muslims follow that creed. However I also think that it is the second generation, born and brought up here who appear to be the ones who are radicalised the most.
  3. Its also in the telegraph and NY times

    Bodes very well indeed, the fact that AQ high command had to issue a 200 page rebutal shows how big this is.
  4. Very interesting and, for my part at least, unexpected. Good find, mate. :)

    I wonder if this will goad AQ/Bin Ladin into speeding up any plans they have for a spectacular attack, in an effort to prove they are "winning"...
  5. Not really, you seem surprised that there is a great deal of debate within the "jihadi" movement? Various different groups arguing over what the Koran says on this or that issue is very common.
    Have a look here or here
    AQ does have enemies within the wider jihadi movement, look at the refusal of co operation between the Islamic State in Iraq and various Islamic groups in Iraq.
    Sadly this will not dissuade those individuals filled with a fervent love of there religion and fueled by the perceived insults on there religion by the hated kafir from stopping there war.
    I hope that the PC white guilt brigade take some notice of this article.
  6. To follow on from what I said above this might be of interest too,

    Aaron linked to a report a while back that suggested a convergence of “public policy agenda” between radical Islamist and left-wing activist groups in the UK. I recalled it today after seeing news that the UK is holding three on suspicion that they intended to use a left-wing NGO as cover to enter the Palestinian territories for the purpose of joining jihad:
    Three Islamist terror suspects who were arrested in northwest England on Friday night planned to leave the country under the cover of a humanitarian convoy to Gaza led by George Galloway, the maverick MP, senior police sources said.

    The three suspects were among nine men arrested in a joint operation by police and MI5 while they were driving two vans on the M65 near Preston, Lancashire. Six were later released and three men, aged 26, 29 and 36, remained in custody last night.

    The men had been under surveillance for some time as part of what police described as “an ongoing intelligence-led operation”. Although details of the surveillance remain unclear, one source said the men were believed to be planning a terrorist operation abroad.

    The reports don’t say whose jihad they intended to join (Hamas? AQ? Hezbollah?), and how they came about the idea of using a Western NGOs in this way, but it certainly suggest the claims of convergence are more than just a think tank’s bias.

    The report by Atma Singh for the UK think tank Middle East Strategic Information (MESI), “An Examination of the ‘Entryist’ Tactics of the Hamas Front Organisations and the Extreme Left in the UK Gaza Protests in London,” describes the relationship of what it calls “ two key controlling revolutionary organizations” recently involved in anti-Israeli protests in London. Organizations such as Socialist Action and the Muslim Association of Britain, according to the article, employ the tactic of Entryism, described as:
    a political tactic by which an organisation or state encourages its members or agents to infiltrate another organisation in an attempt to gain recruits or take it over entirely.

    And it appears the tactic has worked well for both groups:

    These two non-state actors have been highly successful in using the Greater London Authority to pursue their goals, receiving both passive and active support for Hamas front organisations and anti-Israeli public policy positions during Ken Livingstone’s term as Mayor of London. This success has been used to further infiltrate the UK (in policy terms) and the police and security services (subverting anti-terrorism strategy and policy).

    Singh notes that the entryist tactic comes from Trotskyite concept of “united front:”
    a willingness to make temporary and very narrow political and limited objective-based alliances with wider social movements and political forces on an issue by issue campaigns basis.

    Though the report does a good job characterizing the relationship between the two movements, it doesn’t touch on a crucial question: why Left and not Right? As a short term tactic, aligning with leftist “peace” groups may be a smart move for radical Islamist front groups like Muslim Association of Britain, after all, both groups share (nearly) identical short term goals – an end to Israeli counter-Hamas efforts. However, the report suggests the relationship runs deeper. If the relationship does run deeper, then why?

    Is it possible that radical Islamists have an affinity with leftists and socialists? If that was the case then we would see the convergence worldwide, and we don’t. For example, MB protests in Egypt during the same period rarely, if ever, included leftist groups. As a matter of fact, in the Middle East, the MB would probably more inclined to work with rival Islamist groups that they otherwise dominate in the West (see below).

    Is it just an isolated, short-term tactic to gain legitimacy for this one issue? If so, then why are we seeing a similar convergence here in the US and even Canada?

    There are other arguments, but the question of Why Left/Why Socialism remains. I suspect it goes back to that near-perfect maxim: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If conservative think tanks, academics, politicians, and policy wonks are their enemy, then they have a natural “friend” in leftist groups. I also suspect that the generally weakened state of much European conservatism leaves the leftist groups with more legitimacy, and are thus a richer target for infiltration.

    I must give credit where it’s due: radical Islamists have no compunction with identifying and targeting their adversaries with both long-term and short-term tactics. In this case, they appear to be piggybacking off the persistent, even natural, antagonism between “left” and “right” that has seeped into every aspect of political life in the West.

    I’ll throw this suggestion out, as well. Though radical Islamist groups (at least the US variety) share many of the social and cultural positions with conservative organizations here in the US, they have targeted the leftist organizations because those organizations tend to be a-religious. On the other hand, conservative organizations in the US tend to declare a religious identity (mostly Christian or Jewish). The leftist tendency toward a-religious identity gives the Islamist groups more freedom to be Islamist without coming up against pesky questions and possible prosetlyzing.

    The London Times article linked above suggests that the weekend arrests were part of an ongoing investigation. As a topic of discussion, the convergence of radical Left with radical Islam is just beginning.
  7. I'm not surprised that there is debate within the Jihadi movement. I was surprised that the founder of Al Qaida would publically criticise it's most (in)famous leader.
  8. Sayid did not form AQ, he was a major player,some say leader in Egyptian Islamic Jihad. He was a member of AQ's high council. His relations have been very strained with Al-Zawahiri from the 90's on the strategy of jihad but he has never said jihad is wrong.
    Have a look at this link It is a review of his latest book from which that story comes from and has some interesting comments on how it might be received amongst muslims.
  9. Your link just goes to Zawahiri's wiki page.

    Did you mean to link the Memri dispatch here?
  10. :oops: Sorry! this is what it should of linked to!