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AIs leaving cadets to their own devices - eh?

#1
Just been DS'ing at a CCF competition, which saw a cloudburst on the saturday night.

Eight drowned rats legged it towards shelter, dressed in unit tee shirts / sweatshirts, carrying their rifles. They where wet through, so being an aproximation of a responsible TA SNCO I asked them where their AI was - intending to suggest they attend to the H&S issues of sopping wet clothing.

No AI was with them, so I asked who the Senior was and instructed him to stay in shelter until the rain stopped, then to get into dry kit and waterproofs and to stop doing whatever they where doing. A far s I can tell they did this, and retired to their bashas.

I later saw at least one of their AIs in a pub later that evening, with two other adults - I do not know if the others where their AIs but as they also were wearing C95 trousers and issue-style boots its a fair assumption. The AI was wearing a sweatshirt with capbadge so I knew who he was.

As it normal practice to leave cadets like this? Seems a bit odd to me, duty of care and all that?
 
#2
no someone should be on duty at all times especialy when weapns are involved.
 
#3
Last comp I did with the ACF the AI's that came with us were only there to drive us to the event. Once they were there the training staff running the event were responsible. Possibly the case? In which case where were the DS...

Can remember being left alone for a day to see what our admin was like (with weapons). Was great fun.
 
#4
Bravo_Bravo said:
Just been DS'ing at a CCF competition, which saw a cloudburst on the saturday night.

Eight drowned rats legged it towards shelter, dressed in unit tee shirts / sweatshirts, carrying their rifles. They where wet through, so being an aproximation of a responsible TA SNCO I asked them where their AI was - intending to suggest they attend to the H&S issues of sopping wet clothing.

No AI was with them, so I asked who the Senior was and instructed him to stay in shelter until the rain stopped, then to get into dry kit and waterproofs and to stop doing whatever they where doing. A far s I can tell they did this, and retired to their bashas.

I later saw at least one of their AIs in a pub later that evening, with two other adults - I do not know if the others where their AIs but as they also were wearing C95 trousers and issue-style boots its a fair assumption. The AI was wearing a sweatshirt with capbadge so I knew who he was.

As it normal practice to leave cadets like this? Seems a bit odd to me, duty of care and all that?
That is quite bad though, where was the duty adult? and why hadnt their rifles been put back in the armoury?
 
#5
If they are over 16 why don't they learn 'independence, leadership etc' in the army, where they might do some good?
 
#7
some may be unable to join due to medical reasons...
 
#8
And some might want to cut around shouting at little boys instead of taking the shilling and growing up.
 
#9
how many go onto doing that?
 
#10
_Artemis_ said:
. What did the AIs say when you asked them about it, Bravo Bravo?
I was not sure who the AIs where until I saw them this morning, wearing the kit they had on in the pub. AFAICT it'll be flagged up on the PXR.
 
#11
B-B,
It sounds a bit odd to me too, but all you can (and should) do is flag it up. We don't always supervise them, but we always have the duty of care, so it is sometimes a judgement call.

Nonetheless I, and I don't know of anyone else, would have any problem with you mentioning your concerns. If people have done wrong then nobody will know if you keep quiet. If they have done no wrong then they won't be worried that another adult has flagged up what appeared to be a potential problem.
 
#12
Bravo_Bravo said:
_Artemis_ said:
. What did the AIs say when you asked them about it, Bravo Bravo?
I was not sure who the AIs where until I saw them this morning, wearing the kit they had on in the pub. AFAICT it'll be flagged up on the PXR.
Why not just have a conversation about it, instead of/as well as sticking it on the post-ex report and mentioning it on a website?
 
#14
_Artemis_ said:
Bravo_Bravo said:
_Artemis_ said:
. What did the AIs say when you asked them about it, Bravo Bravo?
I was not sure who the AIs where until I saw them this morning, wearing the kit they had on in the pub. AFAICT it'll be flagged up on the PXR.
Why not just have a conversation about it, instead of/as well as sticking it on the post-ex report and mentioning it on a website?
So once you've sussed they were negligent (that is of course they should have been with the cadets and not in the pub) you'd do what, wasn't you was it??

Ubique
 
#15
No being funny but even if the cadets were over 16 and sensible etc. What the F*CK are the AIs doing in the pub. Jack f*ckers!!!! Lead by example yeah?
 
#16
_Artemis_ said:
Bravo_Bravo said:
_Artemis_ said:
. What did the AIs say when you asked them about it, Bravo Bravo?
I was not sure who the AIs where until I saw them this morning, wearing the kit they had on in the pub. AFAICT it'll be flagged up on the PXR.
Why not just have a conversation about it, instead of/as well as sticking it on the post-ex report and mentioning it on a website?
Because then he wouldn't have anything to 'Lord' about.
 
#17
Sounds like I've touched a nerve here - good, I care.

Te guys in the pub where in C95 trousers, one of them was wearing a unique sweatshirt. I could not be certain they where AIs and at the time I was unsure of the rules for drinking in uniform - I now am, and if I had known then I would have told them to drink up and foxtrot ( politely, of course. )

Late morning the next day I saw the wearer of this unique sweatshirt driving the minibus of the CCF unit involved and so knew that A) they where AIs, and B) the CCF unit concerned.

The fact is that I asked the cadets where their AI was, and was told none was with them. Now, he could be lying but why would he? It transpires I saw one of them in the pub later. The cadets where left unsupervised, with weapons, in bad weather.

As far as I can tell none of the TA soldiers who gave up their weeekends to help man the stands where CRB checked.

It also happens that this very issue - leaving cadets - was flagged up on the last PXR as unacceptable.

5A I really am not concerned about "lording it", but speaking as a parent if I found out that my child had been left like this I'd be somewhat less than happy.

Duty of care, anyone?
 
#20
It was an inter-CCF competition, 14 units there.

Some surpisingly good standards, too, to be honest.
 

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