Ainsworth warns of casualties in Operation Moshtarak

#1
The defence secretary has warned of likely UK casualties as thousands of coalition troops prepare to launch a major offensive in Afghanistan.

Operation Moshtarak is designed to force Taliban militants from an area surrounding the town of Marja in Helmand province.

Bob Ainsworth said it "was not a safe environment" and operations could not be made risk-free.

The offensive will involves British, American and Afghan troops.

Codenamed Operation Moshtarak - which means "together" in the Dari language - it has been described as a "softening-up operation" to clear the Taliban from its remaining strongholds in the area.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8503130.stm
 
#2
dangerousdave said:
The defence secretary has warned of likely UK casualties as thousands of coalition troops prepare to launch a major offensive in Afghanistan.

Operation Moshtarak is designed to force Taliban militants from an area surrounding the town of Marja in Helmand province.

[b]Bob Ainsworth said it "was not a safe environment" and operations could not be made risk-free.[/b]

The offensive will involves British, American and Afghan troops.

Codenamed Operation Moshtarak - which means "together" in the Dari language - it has been described as a "softening-up operation" to clear the Taliban from its remaining strongholds in the area.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8503130.stm
And the 'stating the F...... obvious' prize goes to.............
 

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#3
leveller said:
dangerousdave said:
The defence secretary has warned of likely UK casualties as thousands of coalition troops prepare to launch a major offensive in Afghanistan.

Operation Moshtarak is designed to force Taliban militants from an area surrounding the town of Marja in Helmand province.

[b]Bob Ainsworth said it "was not a safe environment" and operations could not be made risk-free.[/b]

The offensive will involves British, American and Afghan troops.

Codenamed Operation Moshtarak - which means "together" in the Dari language - it has been described as a "softening-up operation" to clear the Taliban from its remaining strongholds in the area.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8503130.stm
And the 'stating the F...... obvious' prize goes to.............

The communist tit with the thin lip and the dodgy tache.
 
#5
whatnow? said:
pity ainsworth wasnt on the op ..............in front of everyone!
It's right that the public should know what soldiers are about to do in their name, but surely it should come from a senior soldier - and not from a politician who will spend the entire op sipping whisky and watching the footie at home...
 
#6
And in the aftermath of the battle, what, or who, will fill the void. Will it have to be done all over again in six months time. Or will DFID give some PC NGO a couple of million quid to ensure that there a three or four Islamic Outreach lesbians available in the nearest safe country to advise on the latest fashion in Burkhas?
 
#8
There are two 'casualties' I am praying for.

One begins with 'A' and ends with 'orth' and the other begins with 'B' and ends with 'own'.
 
#9
lsquared said:
There are two 'casualties' I am praying for.

One begins with 'A' and ends with 'orth' and the other begins with 'B' and ends with 'own'.
Sadly that is not going to happen, even if the Op goes badly. It takes integrity to accept responsibility for such things, a concept totally foreign to these particular individuals.
 
#10
What annoyed me was the way he used 'we' all the time, as if he was going to be anywhere near the flying rounds or IEDs.
 
#11
eodmatt said:
And in the aftermath of the battle, what, or who, will fill the void. Will it have to be done all over again in six months time. Or will DFID give some PC NGO a couple of million quid to ensure that there a three or four Islamic Outreach lesbians available in the nearest safe country to advise on the latest fashion in Burkhas?
Sad but true, even now I am having the Op and will after trans gender surgery be modelling my off the shoulder Burkha.
 
#12
I take it that the assault was released beforehand to allow international donors to pour money in so that the Taliban are well stocked up and have plenty of IEDs in place. I know locals often get wind of major offensives because of troop build ups but when did we start announcing our plans on the world news, do we not bother with OPSEC any more? Perhaps they should have Ainsworth at the breakfast table explaining that "we're the mustard pot and over there, the sugar bowl is the Yanks and over here the salt and pepper pots are the Talib".
 
#15
Markintime said:
I take it that the assault was released beforehand to allow international donors to pour money in so that the Taliban are well stocked up and have plenty of IEDs in place. I know locals often get wind of major offensives because of troop build ups but when did we start announcing our plans on the world news, do we not bother with OPSEC any more? Perhaps they should have Ainsworth at the breakfast table explaining that "we're the mustard pot and over there, the sugar bowl is the Yanks and over here the salt and pepper pots are the Talib".
I'm no strategist, but here's what I see happening.

This is a war of public opinion - both in Afghanistan, and back home. It's also a war with no clear way to "win". For that reason, they need to create a set of rules and play to them. By releasing details of the op in advance, they've effectively created a 'showdown' between ISAF and the Taliban, and there will be a clear winner.
 
#16
Plant-Pilot said:
What annoyed me was the way he used 'we' all the time, as if he was going to be anywhere near the flying rounds or IEDs.
I agree, irritating in the extreme. However, he was only following the precedent set by the spineless grinning 'spiv' Blair who constantly referred to and talked about:

'My Armed Forces'.

I am still uncertain about what role Blair had in mind for Her Majesty after his assumption of 'command, control and ownership' of Her Majesty's Armed Forces. Does anyone think we should be told?
 
#17
Cut the guy some slack, he's telling the truth, he might be stating the obvious but it's a giant leap from "hopefully well win without firing a shot"
 
#18
MIT.

The locals have had to be informed by leafleting, which means the Taliban as well, so a major announcement only tells them what they already know. It also means that they have already planted hundreds of extra IEDs.
 
#19
Monty417 said:
The locals have had to be informed by leafleting, which means the Taliban as well, so a major announcement only tells them what they already know. It also means that they have already planted hundreds of extra IEDs.
It depends which viewpoint you adopt. In terms of the battle, removing the element of surprise is a kick in the teeth. In terms of the overall strategy, taking into account 'hearts & minds' and creating a fixed battle which ISAF will be seen to win may be worth it.

Our politicians are useless scum, but luckily it isn't them behind this op.
 

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