Ainsworth blamed by Brown over humiliating TA cuts fiasco

#1
Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth was cast adrift by Downing Street last night after he was blamed for humiliating the Government over funding for the Territorial Army.

Gordon Brown was forced to personally intervene on Tuesday night to head off another Ministry of Defence PR disaster brought about by plans to slash spending on TA training by £20million.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...humiliating-TA-cuts-fiasco.html#ixzz0VJneM6SM


Can I be permitted a short snigger?

msr
 
#4
msr said:
Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth was cast adrift by Downing Street last night after he was blamed for humiliating the Government over funding for the Territorial Army.

Can I be permitted a short snigger?

msr
Can that be a 'Team Army' (F*** yeah) snigger?

:)
 

Fronty

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#6
Whilst it is worth a giggle or two, you have to wonder about the morals of a person that would hang out someone to dry like that.

Where does the blame really lie? With a short term appointee, or with a person that has been cutting available budgets for the last 12 years?
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#8
A pair of useless twunts in a squabble about who is more useless. David Davies made a very good point last night. We are at WAR - This governments main effort should be that war - not whether Brown can get his photo taken with BamBam.
 
#9
Poor old Ainsworthless - he was toasted by Paxman last night on Newsnight - I thought at one stage I might almost have felt sorry for him as I'm sure he was about to cry. But, true to form, when pressed as to why he wasn't going to do the decent thing and resign, he immediately went into arrse covering mode and tried to weasle out of it again.
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#11
polar69 said:
That jobsworth chappie reminds me of the headmaster on grange hill.
Reminded me of one of the Range Wardens on Ash Ranges in the early 80's. A little bit unfair. He was only doing his job and he had a good stash of porn and a ready kettle.
 

Biped

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#12
Fronty said:
Whilst it is worth a giggle or two, you have to wonder about the morals of a person that would hang out someone to dry like that.

Where does the blame really lie? With a short term appointee, or with a person that has been cutting available budgets for the last 12 years?
Precisely. Gordon Brown put an incompetent in the role, and Gordon Brown via the Treasury is demanding finance cuts in an army at war.

Is it any surprise that the cuts should be handled incompetently?

Gordon Brown is to blame because he appoints those in cabinet.
 

OldSnowy

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#13
As mentioned in the debate last night, the U-turn had feck all to do with Brown or the Sec of State.

It occurred because the Whips went to see Gordon, and told him that he would lose the vote on Wednesday. They told him to find £20M. He did. It's that simple.

Beyond that of course you can ask - why would Labour have lost? The answer is simply because their MPs, as well as Tory, LibDem, Etc, were driven into action - and how? By the power of public opinion. In this sort of situation, it is Government MPs (i.e. Labour) who are key, not opposition! I would consider that ARRSE, and the letters/e-mails sent from thousands of serving and former TA Soldiers, and many many others, were influential in this matter..

Quote from an MP during the debate yesterday:

Mr. Swire: I want to say again that the recent political events have caused huge upset in the TA. I am not sure that the Government fully recognise the damage that has been done, and I therefore draw their attention to some of the websites on Facebook and the Army Rumour Service web forums so that they can see for themselves how those involved in the TA feel about what is going on. The word “closed” has been put over the TA sign in many instances. Of course the TA is not closed—quite the reverse—but I think the Government need to reassure the TA that it is an integral part of one Army and that it is appreciated for what it does.

Those who wrote in - well done, give yourselves a pat on the back :)
 
#14
Ainsworth was handed a sh1t sandwich and told to carry on. I'm not keen on the guy but Gordon's the eejit in charge.
 
#15
I read about this this morning in the mail.

How I laughed.
Then cursed this bloody government. They need to be handed a map with ******** and elbow the next time they need to wipe.

£20 mil cuts, then £17.5 then 48 hours later no cuts.

Where's the ejection button for these idiots.
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#17
Jobsworth did say something useful last night:

'You can't will the end without willing the means'. It should branded on his forehead and on the forehead of the oaf that appointed him.

You can't expect to fight a war on a peacetime budget.

As another thought. Lets just hope that nothing else happens that requires military intervention.
 
#18
FFS Ainsworth, the man with no shame, against Brown, the man with no brain, how did these two FWITS ever get into government
 
#19
It was the CGS who condoned the original cuts, it's what the top Army brass wanted. The initial TA decision was NOTHING TO DO WITH AINSWORTH OR BROWN. And now the MoD has to find the money from elsewhere. It seems utterly lost on the nation that the MoD is so over-committed it very nearly couldn't pay the wages of regular soldiers during one month in the summer.

Most of the the extra spending Brown has 'given' for both Iraq and Afghanistan has been borrowed from the following year's MoD budget and then quietly taken back the next in cuts.

None of this is a good result for the greater good as far as I can see. Pat yourself on the back if you want to, but it's merely taken eyes off the fact that the MoD is pissing money up the wall with a procurement infrastructure that by it's very nature makes nothing affordable, and a Government that has over-committed it's armed forces for foreign policy without the willingness to pay for it.

Oh, and not to mention the fact that someone in the MoD can't count, and so the Army must reduce it's numbers by 20% over the next decade.
 
#20
Herbie said:
i think he was very unhappy with being made to look a tw@ (which isnt that hard)
With the experience he has had you'd have thought he'd have got used to it by now. :)
 

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