Age old REME arguement....Brats v Crunchie

it is obvious that there is a cavernous difference in calibre between those who joined the apprentice college and those who joined over the road (proper crunchies) and those who joined in pirbright (fun sized crunchies). why are Brats so obviously superior? is it because the adult recruits think they know better because 'they've seen a bit'? (although what they've seen rarely amounts to anything relevent to the REME before they joined).
Im a now long in the tooth brat, having stuck my head above the parapet and had a good look round i must say that its the brats of my era who are all still hanging around,good and bad. Whereas the crunchies in the trade seem to have made a wise choice and departed early to enjoy the outside world, which most brats would not remember. Brats were almost all serious about a full career and were totally indoctrined at Arborfield to believe they were the future of the corps, in my case how wrong they were. Nowadays it no longer matters which side of the fence you were on, its all gone for a ball of chalk.
the_man_in_the_corner said:
Well then, i think once you get out of the Naafi break you will see that once that tool box opens then were all the same.
Those days are long gone, although i like the kitsch put down attempt with the Naafi break thing. have you attended the B2 Jimmy Tarbuck Comedy Course for those terminally short of thought?

i realise the irony of starting an arguement with a brat is technically brat 'v' brat, but what the hell.
There appears to be a higher number of ex brats progress through WO rank and complete 22yr, though the calibre is not necessarily higher. Their initial longer training (including leadership, comd tasks etc) surely primed them that bit better prior to earlier attendance on PAAB than their crunchy counterparts.

Personally I sh@t out by being a 17 year old crunchy (with 99% of PMC being older than me!! ).... Bad timing by my civvy mother I think!!

Did that make me an inexperienced crunchy?
Fecking Crunchies!
All fed full of that old Urban myth/story 'bout the visit to PMC. "Yeah i went down there and some Knob with red stripes told me to swing my arms, i just looked at him and said Feck Off!"
Crunchies remember, the only time you came thru those gates were as a squad to go to the Assault Course or as a Biff going to the sick bay. Creatures.
Crunchies i sh1t 'em oh and one year Apprentices too!
Opps nearly forgot the minging black bandies as well.
(God im an angry man!)
I used to regard the 'Brats' course as a three year indoctination in how to skive. Came to the real Army knowing all the time honourd tricks for avoiding work that did not intrest them and would take Herr Crunch a while to learn.
Having said that I knew many very good tradesmen who came through the course, but there was always that know all element who let the side down.
I am proud to be an "Ex Brat" I am so proud that I even failed my exams to stop 6 months longer, don't know what you are all sneering and laughing at, good scoff, go to SEE next door already a legend in your own lunchtime, fantastic! I don't know why crunchies have such a hard time on us, maybe its just a wee bit o jealousy they didn't take the smart move into the "force" earlier? heaven knows eh! Must say thought times at Arborfield were bang on, and there was **** all like bein on stag as a brat when the Brams kicked out on a friday and havin to give some Pick Helve Supper :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know quite a few ex-brats who say if they had their time again they would have stayed at home and played with ther mates, feeling that bratz with all the exra curricular weekend beastings and other unsavoury activities would have best been avoided.

There is some evidence that ex-brats have a better hit-rate in reaching WO1/2 but is that still so and how much is because the cream rises to the top no matter what? Any tiffy can say anything with statistics.

This argument is usually started by the ex-brat thus proving that they never trully grow up.
Devilishdave said:
Catch dont forget the medics!!

9 times out of ten I can tell if a person is an ex apprentice or not.

Ha ha
Sorry DD of course the dreaded body bag fillers!
And AT Bonshor (if thats how you write it) Dental dude!
So yeah i hate Crunchies, one year Apprentices, Minging Black Bandies, Me Dicks and Dental Corp blerks!

Certainly miss Characters like Big Ted too.

As for staying at home and playing with my mates Maj Boothroyd, i lived fairly close so my 36 or 48 hour pass was spent getting methed with Civvy College=nil cash mates!
Brats rocked!
A quality 2 years in my life that i will never forget, at the time i think i did actually like it really, when i look back on it i know it was the time of my life. i agree with all thats said about the calibre of training, i always did think (although obviously im biased) that the brat emerged as a better class of soldier and definately a better class of tradesman.

this obviously is on an average, there are no doubt plenty of crunchies that were very good and went on to do very well, i do think you could tell the difference tho at a unit.

although, im not quite sure how catchy got on so well, and he's an ex brat!! :wink: :wink:
Ooh, get you lot. What's next, "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"?

IMHO, the only difference between a BRAT and a Proper Soldier (either ex-BRAT or ex-Crunchie) was the pay. Two years on tuppence ha'penny a month , if one were to believe the old hairy stories. Oh how the winter evenings must have flown by... what did you used to do for breakfast, lick t'road wi'tongue? Aye but we were 'appy, etc, etc and so on.

And no I never told a Cadet RSM to f*ck off. However if you'd like to find one for me now, I'd happily oblige.
Two years full time at technical college getting paid 5x what a YTS was on at the time, on a program where he would only get released to college once a week is not all bad. Not to mention the free food, bed and board and last but not least the free clothes. Oh the memories of the much sought after KF shirts.

I told the AT CSM to get to **** and got charged and had it written up on my charge sheet as if it was an insubordination to a real WO2 (which in any ones book is quite a serious charge).

Themanwho said:
Two years on tuppence ha'penny a month , if one were to believe the old hairy stories. Oh how the winter evenings must have flown by... what did you used to do for breakfast, lick t'road wi'tongue?
In '63 the pay of an A/T on joining was £2 and 2 shillings per week but you weren't allowed to draw all of it as some had to be saved. Once you reached the ripe old age of 17years and sixmonths you went onto adult pay which was in the region of £7 per week. In 1965 the cost of ten Embassy cigs was about two shillings so the money stretched quite well.

As for the evenings, for term one and two you were allowed out on Saturday after sports and on Sunday after compulsory church parade. In three to five term you were allowed out on a Wednesday after sports and from term six to half way through term nine. Monday was added. A/T Sgts were allowed out every evening as were the rest for the later half of term nine. So the winter evening didn't fly past as if you weren't skint you weren't allowed out anyway!

By gum you didn't know you'd lived until you'd spent a winter in Carlisle in a wooden spider hut.

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