Age limits (for officers this time)

#1
Dear All

(This on behalf of an internet-less colleague)

Is there any truth in the rumour that that a TA officer must make Captain by the age of 35 or s/he will be kicked out?


If that is the rule, is it one of those age-limits which TA routinely bends?

msr
 
#2
The old RAC wkprs pool had a limit of 40 for Capts. So 35 sounds a bit silly). What happens to chaps in say a Fd Amb (or whatever they call it nowadays) who reach Capt but can't make OC because the Reg Medics keep appointing Regular officers as OC.
 
#3
Smells like bull to me , but it could depend on the regiment

after all who wants to run around as a infantry lt when they are over 40
 
#4
I didnt think they had to leave but it meant that they got passed over for promotion. And anyways what happens to the ex WO's that have taken commisions cos surely they are going to be over 35 at captain!

Will
 
#5
mushroom said:
The old RAC wkprs pool had a limit of 40 for Capts. So 35 sounds a bit silly). What happens to chaps in say a Fd Amb (or whatever they call it nowadays) who reach Capt but can't make OC because the Reg Medics keep appointing Regular officers as OC.
Medics today have an age limit of 95(provided a pulse is present)
 
#6
firestarter said:
mushroom said:
The old RAC wkprs pool had a limit of 40 for Capts. So 35 sounds a bit silly). What happens to chaps in say a Fd Amb (or whatever they call it nowadays) who reach Capt but can't make OC because the Reg Medics keep appointing Regular officers as OC.
Medics today have an age limit of 95(provided a pulse is present)
Pulse is now optional
 
#8
I know of two who were DE at 36.

msr
 
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#9
It sounds unlikely: units like HAC and SAS tend to have quite ancient junior officers.
 
#11
WhoMeSir said:
Wow 36.
8O
I was told I was too ancient for the DE at 33.
I suppose it just depends where you go
And what you've got to offer ;)

msr
 
#12
TA Regs very clear on subject and the variations dependent on Arm or Service. Your friendly neighbourhood PSAO should be able to point you in the right direction.

Rules, of course, are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools. Therefore the Army very allows for over-age extensions to service - for those still fit and up to the job. These apply as much to Officers as they do to Soldiers so no reason why you would automatically have to go at a certain age.

Just for the record, too old is about 10 years older than me and will be for as long as I stay in green. :wink:
 
#13
Don't spread it about :wink: but I transferred in to a Bde Reinforcement Team (CCRF Home Service role), aged 49, after 5 years commissioned service in the ACF. They made me join the Gen List (V) and insisted that I revert to probationary 2Lt ('as you have not held a proper commission before'). As my regular service had been as a CPO in the RN :oops: , I was not eligible for LE either.

As previously stated the age limits are laid down in TA Regs, but rules are for guidance, a case can and often is made for an exemption. The current age limit for the BRT role is 60 as set out in a HQ Land letter. I agree with the previous post, too old is at least 10 years older than me :lol:.
 
#15
Spotter said:
Don't spread it about :wink: but I transferred in to a Bde Reinforcement Team (CCRF Home Service role), aged 49, after 5 years commissioned service in the ACF. They made me join the Gen List (V) and insisted that I revert to probationary 2Lt ('as you have not held a proper commission before'). As my regular service had been as a CPO in the RN :oops: , I was not eligible for LE either.

As previously stated the age limits are laid down in TA Regs, but rules are for guidance, a case can and often is made for an exemption. The current age limit for the BRT role is 60 as set out in a HQ Land letter. I agree with the previous post, too old is at least 10 years older than me :lol:.
This was undoubtedly on account of your fine personal qualities or are they just desperate for CCRF/BRT types?I take it people in the Bde HQ will be passing comment on "distinguished-looking" subalterns :D
 
#16
It also depends where you see your green career going. If you have your sights on CO, then you need to be a reasonably early OC in order to allow you the intermediate (Command Earning etc) posts before boarding for half colonel. If you pick up Capt much beyond 30-31 then you'll be lucky pick up sub-unit command much before the lower age limit for Lt Col, if that makes sense.

With reference to the point about medics dying in their boots as regular OCs post in from outside, it might be different for the AMS, but so far as I am aware, no regular officer will be posted at either CO or OC level to a TA unit or sub-unit if there is an eligible/qualified TA name, who has applied, for the board to consider.
 
#17
fas_et_gloria said:
It also depends where you see your green career going. If you have your sights on CO, then you need to be a reasonably early OC in order to allow you the intermediate (Command Earning etc) posts before boarding for half colonel. If you pick up Capt much beyond 30-31 then you'll be lucky pick up sub-unit command much before the lower age limit for Lt Col, if that makes sense.

With reference to the point about medics dying in their boots as regular OCs post in from outside, it might be different for the AMS, but so far as I am aware, no regular officer will be posted at either CO or OC level to a TA unit or sub-unit if there is an eligible/qualified TA name, who has applied, for the board to consider.

On what planet??????
 
#18
galgenberg said:
fas_et_gloria said:
It also depends where you see your green career going. If you have your sights on CO, then you need to be a reasonably early OC in order to allow you the intermediate (Command Earning etc) posts before boarding for half colonel. If you pick up Capt much beyond 30-31 then you'll be lucky pick up sub-unit command much before the lower age limit for Lt Col, if that makes sense.

With reference to the point about medics dying in their boots as regular OCs post in from outside, it might be different for the AMS, but so far as I am aware, no regular officer will be posted at either CO or OC level to a TA unit or sub-unit if there is an eligible/qualified TA name, who has applied, for the board to consider.

On what planet??????
These are the words of the Mil Sec at Bde during a formal career review interview in December, though admittedly one might well question the planetary location of either MS branch in its entirity or of Bde HQs. By his account, boards will sit for OC and CO appointments in two phases; i) a board for 'all' the TA applicants, followed (usually immediately) by ii) a board for the regular officers for the same post. If the appointment is/can be made at phase i) then there is no requirement for phase ii).

In the words of the Comd, there are lots of TA officers who could be OCs/COs, but very few who actually can on the basis of their outside commitments. This often means that there are no applicants for what I've described above as phase i) of the boarding process.
 
#19
fas_et_gloria said:
galgenberg said:
fas_et_gloria said:
It also depends where you see your green career going. If you have your sights on CO, then you need to be a reasonably early OC in order to allow you the intermediate (Command Earning etc) posts before boarding for half colonel. If you pick up Capt much beyond 30-31 then you'll be lucky pick up sub-unit command much before the lower age limit for Lt Col, if that makes sense.

With reference to the point about medics dying in their boots as regular OCs post in from outside, it might be different for the AMS, but so far as I am aware, no regular officer will be posted at either CO or OC level to a TA unit or sub-unit if there is an eligible/qualified TA name, who has applied, for the board to consider.
On what planet??????
These are the words of the Mil Sec at Bde during a formal career review interview in December, though admittedly one might well question the planetary location of either MS branch in its entirity or of Bde HQs. By his account, boards will sit for OC and CO appointments in two phases; i) a board for 'all' the TA applicants, followed (usually immediately) by ii) a board for the regular officers for the same post. If the appointment is/can be made at phase i) then there is no requirement for phase ii).

In the words of the Comd, there are lots of TA officers who could be OCs/COs, but very few who actually can on the basis of their outside commitments. This often means that there are no applicants for what I've described above as phase i) of the boarding process.
This may be the aspiration/theory and very commendable it is too.The reality is regulars slotted in at (especially) OC level when perfectly capable TA officers are available.I have even heard of TA Cos being short-toured to make space for regular "job-needy" types(admittedly not recently-does anyone else know diffferently?)

I have no personal axe to grind in this as I have had my fun and frolics in command and got away without a bill at handover :D
 
#20
no regular officer will be posted at either CO or OC level to a TA unit or sub-unit if there is an eligible/qualified TA name, who has applied, for the board to consider.
This is perfectly true. In the CO's boarding, eligible TA candidates are considered, and only if no candidate is marked with a high enough rating by the board, are regulars introduced into the considerations. This was from Col MS at a presentation we had not so long ago.
 

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