AGAI 67

#5
Its no better than the AA55 Sect 69. AGAI67 means you can be done for anything, by anyone, and found guilty even if you are 100% innocent. It is stacked against you, it is crap, ALS dont support you and its a f***ing nightmare, I know, I got stitched up good and proper and I WAS not guitly. Absolutely pointless fighting it.
 
#8
At a certain regt, the RSM wanted his NCO's to fill a quota, by giving people 67 action. One of my mates got AGAI'd for sorting out his resettlement during a quite period in work.
 
#9
roseandpose said:
Any opinions to share about the new 8O Administrative Action?

Fairer than the previous summary hearing, d'ya reckon?
Once upon a time, a long time ago, in a land similar to this, there was an army. That army had a discipline process for soldiers who misbehaved, not big misdemeanours (for them you had to go in front of the big boss), just every day fu*k ups. Fu*k ups like being late for a parade, having dirty boots, not doing as you are told or just generally being a c*nt (we shall call him Fred).

At that time there where many ways with dealing with Fred, some naughty (a slap round the head), some physical (running with items above the head, press ups etc), however, a common way of dealing with Fred was to give him “extra’s”. These extra’s were normally given in a random almost haphazard way and the amount was at the discretion of the purveyor. It could be quite a game with the rolling of dice, the selection of numbers or other such method.

Regardless of the award, Fred generally accepted his punishment (although with a raging sense of injustice), because it was better than being charged and it was in lieu of all the times he had been a c*nt and got away with it. Miscarriages did happen, but that’s life.

As time went on, Fred become disgruntled with his lot, nothing was ever his fault, he couldn’t see why he had to do stuff he didn’t want to do and in general wouldn’t accept the nasty mans instant justice. He started to take his grievance to the all powerful, terrible King known as the European Court of Justice in the Kingdom of the European Union. Eventually the kingdom passed rules, these became known as the Human Rights Act, and overnight changed the way the army did business.

The army moved into the dark ages, only the big boss could deal with anyone and it had to be done in a formal manner with a small rain forest of paperwork accompanying each case. Junior commanders and even more senior ones became higher paid Freds. It took an enormous amount of effort to discipline anyone for anything, therefore people started to turn a blind eye. The results where disastrous. The only saving grace at this time was the fact that units were spending more times in the land of operations, where common sense prevails and Fred could be controlled.

In recent times the army has tried to readdress the balance with AGAI 67. Once again junior commanders can award minor punishments for Fred being a c*nt. Yes there is a paper chain required, however, this protects both Fred and the punisher. It also provides documentary evidence to assist in the award of 3 month warning orders and ultimately SNLR. Additionally minor misdemeanours are rationalised and awards are even handed i.e. Fred in Sect 1 gets the same punishment as Fred in Sect 2 for dirty boots (for a first time offence).

Finally, with a bit of paperwork effort, JNCO’s/SNCO’s can start to function again (unfortunately there is a generation who need to be re-taught) and not just be a higher paid Pte. And we can all live happily ever after.

AGAI 67 is not perfect, however (IMHO) it is a “Giant Leap” in the right direction. Its just such a pity there is a lack of understanding in its true purpose.
 
#11
CAARPS - wot a load of bolox. I got AGAI'd for an allegation (i.e. something not proven) and it took FOUR months to sort out because the 'management' closed ranks to pr......enough said. Hang on while I put on my foil hat !! Ah thats better, no negative waves.
 
#12
Does it really matter what we think about it or the older and failed "Summary Dealings" or Section 69 of the AA............
At the end of the day it will get replaced by something else in a couple of years when some barrack room lawyer
threatens to take it all the way to the ECHR and we (well not me cause I'll be long gone) have to go through
another re-education package................Bring out the pink cotton wool and baby wet wipes.......

Its a common saying and lets say it together.........."CHANGE IS NOT GOOD".
 
#13
I've been done a couple of times and to be honest while I agreed that the extras were warranted, sometimes I can't help but feel that without AGAI67, there would have been more of a slapped wrist. I've heard of people being done with 67 for stupid stupid stuff - not in our illustrious corps thankfully. I agree that it protects the soldier from higher forms of punishment but at the same time, I think that some people are too keen to use it where a bollocking or such like would better fit.
 
#14
Yes, AGAI me then....

There is always a time when no one is looking, when you are out on a run, when in the gym a 20 pound weight will bounce of a knee.... go on then punk.... make my day!
 
#16
Yawn.... goon bde back to his favourite pastime of slagging off people he doesn't know...

If you could just try and make your comments amusing I for one wouldn't mind. As it is you're just dull.
 
#17
My waffle above is mainly concerned with what is now known as minor sanctions see here. And not the more serious disciplinary/administrative actions.

AGAI 67 does not replace the good old fashioned bollocking (and nor should it), however the system allows minor punishments to be administered in a controlled and recorded manner, there is also a built in appeals system.

No matter the system, there will always be power crazy knob*ers who will abuse it to show their CofC “what a good boy I am” (Sir, sir I have AGAI’d 40 people this week).

The point with the AGAI system is; there are laid down procedures, bullies can’t blame lack of guidance to justify their actions. Because punishment is documented, it enables swift progression to more drastic action on the little sh*t who continually under performs.

Bobos, my sympathies, however, there always have, and always will be, situations where ‘we’ (the system) gets it wrong. The first reaction in an environment built on teamwork and trust is to close ranks to protect. Invariably that always leaves someone isolated on the outside.
The consolation (not that there are any to the victim), there are more channels than ever before to enable redress, admittedly a hollow victory.

The question is:
AGAI 67, is the situation better or worse since the implementation?
I would suggest:

Old, old crusties – F*ck off, swift justice in my day, round the back, sorted.
Old crusties – Not perfect, even more paperwork, but at least there is a system in place for minor punishments.
Youngsters – It’s fu*king shit, I am always getting punished for stuff!

CAARPS
 
#20
goon_bde said:
roseandpose said:
Any opinions to share about the new Administrative Action?
is this the same new AGAI 67 that came into action 1 Jan 05?

good to see the int-corps is satying current.

pulse, finger....send Sitrep over??
LOL @ Goon_Bde!

I don't want to start a slagging match but you really don't have a clue do you? What's with the deep seated resentment of the Int Corps? Are you upset because you're 'not quite what we were looking for'?

I hadn't read anything in the ARRSE rules that states thast any topic discussed must only have been brough into effect within the past 6 months or whatever you deem fit. Do you equally go on the RHQ thread and bait people there because they talk about Pay2000? Or what about the Sigs board and mock them because they are discussing the concept of the wireless radio transmission?

Do us a favour mate, if you have nothing to say in this forum that is beyond baiting and flaming, don't say it at all.
 

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