AGAI 67 (Admin Discharge)

#1
Has anyone noticed an increase in the number of people being discharged under AGAI 67? Is there any defence against this and can you apply to a tribunal? After all according to the MoD site AGAI 67 allows the MoD the same rights of dismissall as a civvie employer does it therefor allow the employee the same right to an independant review of the case?

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#2
Can the army afford to lay people off?
Mind you, I remember back in the 80's when severe (and not so severe) admin cases were called into the OC's office suddenly to be told to be off the camp in 6 hours as they were no longer required to draw the army's oxygen!! And this was in Germany :)
 
#4
I'm not too sure of the process. One of my colleagues is going through it at the moment and pretty much everyone who knows him or is at his level thinks he's been hard done by. :evil:
 
#6
Just put on the Parliamentary web site today.

Mr Paul Keetch (Hereford):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what procedures exist for soldiers who consider themselves to have been unfairly dismissed from the Army but failed to submit a redress within three months of discharge to appeal against their dismissal; and if he will make a statement

http://www.2para.co.uk/

Goto the MANNING CONTROL page.
 
#7
Thanx Grand-dad a very illuminating site....plenty of interesting contacts there especially for those soldiers who wish to air agreivance and find official channels closed to them. I shall certainly pass that one on :!: :evil: :twisted:
 

chimera

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#8
I think that the admin discharge is used much less than it used to be. Indeed it seems that we now bend over backwards not to discharge people who frankly should be. I think if there IS a growing trend it is for people to play the FMed8 'temperamentally unsuited' card to secure an early release rather than sign off.
 
#9
chimera said:
I think that the admin discharge is used much less than it used to be. Indeed it seems that we now bend over backwards not to discharge people who frankly should be. I think if there IS a growing trend it is for people to play the FMed8 'temperamentally unsuited' card to secure an early release rather than sign off.
Bad news they just outlawed the old FMED 8, pending a new impoved version to be forthcoming sometime soon, the TU card will be less used now as people will be put through the AWS and Admin route. I would much rather see Adjutants doing their job and earning their pay for a change, instead of clogging up the medical chain with dross to the detrement of genuine cases.
 
#10
Did anyone notice that AGAI 66 is the Medical Chapter, shame on you for not reading on till you got to AGAI 67, naughty Admin Staff !!!!
 

chimera

LE
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#11
Agree entirely mad-medic. Prob is that because of the 'med in confidence' thing (which is rightly there for genuine cases) the CSM or adjt never knows that the little scroat is playing the game until after he has been signed off by the trick cyclist. By then it is too late. Doc says out who is to argue?
 
#12
WILL THEY? WONT THEY??? :?

Mr Paul Keetch (Hereford):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will list the (a) establishment and (b) strength of all ranks over major in the Army; and if he will make a statement.
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N Mr Paul Keetch (Hereford):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, for what reasons units are receiving lists of names for manning control review.


http://www.2para.co.uk/
 
#13
I met PaulKeetch MP once and he is an excellent bloke. Actually listens and does not just let the Col do all the talking.
 
#15
After all according to the MoD site AGAI 67 allows the MoD the same rights of dismissall as a civvie employer does it therefor allow the employee the same right to an independant review of the case?
Dismissal under AGAI 67 is done accordingly to law and is transparent. Appealing against it - you could try but I think it would be costly for you. A law firm is unlikely to do a no win no fee on this as the AGAI 67 procedure, where you have brought the Army into disrepute - is normally glaringly obvious. However that said, there is nothing to stop you taking your case to a solictor for advice. As the case is seen by those outside the chain of command - it could be argued that this is independant ?
 
#16
Thanks Ram ....but theres plenty of life left in my career yet :D My point is, even if an accusation of "Bringing the Army into Disrepute" were the reason for an AGAI 67 discharge the accused or dismissed soldier has the right to appeal to an Independant Industrial Tribunal; after all if an Admin Discharge is the only way they can bin the soldier then that surely say's that there was insufficient evidence for formal disciplinary action to be taken against said soldier. 8)
 
#17
Chaps, chaps, chaps - lets get it right. If a 130A is used, then the soldier has a right to make a statement, after having 48 hours and the use of an officer to help them, to say what they think. The CO then gets a chance to say whether or not he agrees with the soldier. This then goes to the next authority, they say whether or not they agree - it then goes to DM(A), who have the final say. There is a chance for the soldier to put their point forward and it has happened twice in my job, where DM(A) have agreed to keep them. And as for the "it doesn't happen that often" statement - I just bless the intranet for having 130A in computer mode. Nuff said.
 

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