Afghanistans Karzai condemns Taliban body burning

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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA..._FOR173008_RTRUKOC_0_US-AFGHAN-USA-BODIES.xml

By Sayed Salahuddin
KABUL (Reuters) - Afghan President Hamid Karzai demanded a quick investigation on Friday after the release of video footage appearing to show U.S. soldiers burning the corpses of two Taliban fighters in Afghanistan

The U.S. military -- already under fire for the handling of Afghan detainees and desecration of the Koran in Guantanamo Bay, which provoked angry protests in Afghanistan -- has ordered an inquiry into the footage shown on Australian television.

"We in Afghanistan, in accordance with our religion and traditions and adherence to international law, are very unhappy and condemn the burning of two Taliban dead bodies," Karzai told reporters at the presidential palace.

"We do not like such incidents and I hope such incidents will not occur again."
 
#2
I feel sorry for the soldiers. They are defending their country at great sacrifice to themselves . They did something wrong. It will wreck there career and they may go to jail. Its tragic.
 
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NEO_CON said:
I feel sorry for the soldiers. They are defending their country at great sacrifice to themselves . They did something wrong. It will wreck there career and they may go to jail. Its tragic.
You honestly don't have a clue, do you? This was an absolutely inhuman act which, since you evidently believe the fairy stories, will condemn them to hell for all eternity. More importantly, it will put Afghani- US/coalition relations back about three years and serve as yet another recruiting poster for al Qaeda and you're worried about their fcuking job security and how they will have to keep a close hold of the soap in the communal shower?

Almost 1600 years of Just War tradition and the emergence of the rules of war- down the toilet at a stroke. I'm sorry, but isn't part of the Great Campaign trying to persuade the other side that ours is a model worth emulating?
 
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NEO_CON said:
I feel sorry for the soldiers. They are defending their country at great sacrifice to themselves . They did something wrong. It will wreck there career and they may go to jail. Its tragic.
Unbelievable.

I feel sorry for every Serviceman and woman, and every civilian who find themselves in harms way, which may now escalate as a result of the gross stupidity displayed by these people. (I hesitate to call them 'soldiers', because they clearly failed to demonstrate any sign of soldierly conduct).

If you think I'm banging on, well perhaps you're right. On the other hand, my son may well be heading out there shortly, so perhaps that justifies how strongly I feel.

Cnuts.
 
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crabtastic said:
NEO_CON said:
I feel sorry for the soldiers. They are defending their country at great sacrifice to themselves . They did something wrong. It will wreck there career and they may go to jail. Its tragic.
You honestly don't have a clue, do you? This was an absolutely inhuman act which, since you evidently believe the fairy stories, will condemn them to hell for all eternity. More importantly, it will put Afghani- US/coalition relations back about three years and serve as yet another recruiting poster for al Qaeda and you're worried about their fcuking job security and how they will have to keep a close hold of the soap in the communal shower?

Almost 1600 years of Just War tradition and the emergence of the rules of war- down the toilet at a stroke. I'm sorry, but isn't part of the Great Campaign trying to persuade the other side that ours is a model worth emulating?
At least the Yanks wait until they are dead before burning the bodies. See today's Telegraph.
 
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Well said Crabtastic.

Referendum - What happened to those American contractors is truly appalling, burned alive by a mob. But I'm sure you'll agree that higher standards are expected from American soldiers than from a rabble of terrorists and a mob.

Tricam.
 
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The stupidity and brutality displayed by those imbeciles dressed as soldiers will have repercussions around the world.

Evidently NeoCon doesn't understand the concept of moral superiority.
 
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tricam said:
Well said Crabtastic.

Referendum - What happened to those American contractors is truly appalling, burned alive by a mob. But I'm sure you'll agree that higher standards are expected from American soldiers than from a rabble of terrorists and a mob.

Tricam.
A little equivalence in indignation might be appropriate. The way it comes over is that for "a rabble of terrorists and a mob" it's OK to burn people alive (boys will be boys).
 
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NEO_CON said:
I feel sorry for the soldiers. They are defending their country at great sacrifice to themselves . They did something wrong. It will wreck there career and they may go to jail. Its tragic.
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Can NC be nominated for an Oxygen Thief award?
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And while we're about it...

With the Western media focused on Iraq, and only too quick to report the slightest infraction by US troops, a report from Reuters yesterday about the goings-on in the French-occupied Ivory Coast provides a salutary reminder of the less than benign nature of French foreign policy.

The news is of the suspension by French defence minister Michele Alliot-Marie of General Henri Poncet, the officer commanding French "peacekeepers" last May when an Ivorian man, named as Mahe, died after being shot by French troops. In addition to Poncet, Colonel Eric Burgaud and an unidentified platoon commander have also been suspended.

At the time of the shooting, the French claimed that dead man was a known highway gang leader who was wanted for crimes including five killings and four rapes. He had been spotted by a French patrol which had pursued and surrounded him, whence he had opened fire and been shot "in self defence".

It now transpires, from a report in Le Figaro, that Mahe was killed in cold blood. The newspaper claims that a platoon had seen Mahe by the side of the road. When the bandit ran, the platoon commander ordered his men after them and they "all opened fire." Some 650 rounds were fired and, badly wounded, the man was left for dead. Some villagers then carried him to the road, where he died. There was therefore no self-defence, the newspaper said, citing several unidentified French officers as its sources.

Le Figaro adds that the original report into the incident was sent to the Ferench headquarters where General Poncet approved it, despite - as one officer claims - being "aware of what happened."

Now, following an official investigation, French Defence Ministry spokesman Jean-Francois Bureau has admitted that: "the facts, as they have been gathered by the command's inquiry, have established that, contrary to what was said at the time, there was no legitimate defence."

Poncet, who is currently based in the southwestern French city of Bordeaux, headed an operation code-named "Unicorn" from May 2004 until June this year, taking charge of 4,000 French troops, supported by UN forces, which had intervened after a failed coup in Ivory Coast in September 2002. He is now being questioned in Paris about an alleged cover-up following the death of an Ivory Coast national in military custody.

Under somewhat dubious circumstances, France sent troops to its former West African colony in September 2002 after a coup attempt against president Laurent Gbagbo during which rebel forces won control of the northern part of the country, despite the reluctance of the Ivorians to accept them, wanting a neutral force.

This is only the latest episode in the unhappy relations between France and the Ivory Coast. This West African country, having been a French colony since 1893, was formally made independent in 1960, although its economic assets and major businesses have since remained largely under French control. The French own 45 per cent of the land and, curiously, the buildings of the Presidency of the Republic and of the Ivorian National assembly are subject to leases concluded with the French.

Resentment of French "neocolonialism" has been behind much of the political unrest in the country, which took a turn for the worst last November when the Ivorian air force bombarded a French base at Bouaké, killing nine French soldiers, after president Gbagbo had accused the French of siding with the rebel forces in an attempt to depose him.

The French army had already fired without warning on unarmed Gbagboist demonstrators in November 2003, seriously wounding three of them and then, on direct orders from Chirac, France responded in what was seen at the time as a gross over-reaction - by destroying the country's entire air force, sparking riots in Abidjan. Some 70 Ivorians were killed and over 1,000 injured by French troops firing on unarmed crowds. In a move which further infuriated the Ivorians, the French chief of the general staff dismissed claims of a "massacre", only admitting that his troops might have "wounded or killed a few people", while "showing very great calm and complete control of the violence."

While the African Union troops now stand alongside the French, the UN has brokered a deal which will keep Gbagbo in power for the next 12 months, until further elections, when the pressure for complete French withdrawal will strengthen. Such is the hatred of the French now that – contrary to the scenes elsewhere denouncing Bush - Ivorians have actually been calling for US intervention.

Strangely, little of this has percolated into the Western media and, of the latest episode in what has been called France’s little Iraq, from the BBC and the "liberal" anti-American chatterati, we hear nothing.
 
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"Part of the message we are carrying in Afghanistan is the need to build a process of law that follows rules and we will demonstrate that ourselves with our own follow-up."
:roll: Why do I find no reassurance from this statement...

If there's nowt found from the follow up, there'll be uproar and like someone said, we'll be set back God knows how long. If they do find something untoward from it, guess what? Yup.. Still set back..

Cloudbuster, Im in the same situation as yer Son.... 8O
 
#13
I'm sure the US are pulling out of afgan very soon, and we are taking over. The stupid conduct of these idiots is gonna have reprocussions for all of us due to go out there.

Thanks alot America!
 
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Referendum said:
tricam said:
Well said Crabtastic.

Referendum - What happened to those American contractors is truly appalling, burned alive by a mob. But I'm sure you'll agree that higher standards are expected from American soldiers than from a rabble of terrorists and a mob.

Tricam.
A little equivalence in indignation might be appropriate. The way it comes over is that for "a rabble of terrorists and a mob" it's OK to burn people alive (boys will be boys).

Referendum/Richard/Helen - I've reread my post and I cannot see how you could possibly think I believe the mobs actions are ok. I clearly said it was 'appalling' (Just in case you missed it that was in the 1st sentence of the 2 I addressed to you). Just in case you still haven't got it: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CONTRACTORS IS APPALLING. Understood?


Hmmm... Interesting stuff regarding the French - I didn't realise that was going on... thanks for pointing it out.

Tricam.
 
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tricam said:
Referendum/Richard/Helen - I've reread my post and I cannot see how you could possibly think I believe the mobs actions are ok. I clearly said it was 'appalling' (Just in case you missed it that was in the 1st sentence of the 2 I addressed to you). Just in case you still haven't got it: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CONTRACTORS IS APPALLING. Understood?


Hmmm... Interesting stuff regarding the French - I didn't realise that was going on... thanks for pointing it out.

Tricam.
It's the "But..." that threw me - one of the most loaded words in the English vocabulary! :wink:

Doncha just luv the Frogs?
 
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But why, Richard North@Bruges Group, does that make it all right for the yanks to piss on the Afghans' graves?

And, by the way, I thought you believed any European (where European=not UK or operating with Yanks) army was unable to do a thing? Operation LICORNE seems to have been quite successful....but there are French people. No! No! Basically, you're a tiresome political hack.
 
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Escape-from-PPRuNe said:
But why, Richard North@Bruges Group, does that make it all right for the yanks to urine on the Afghans' graves?

And, by the way, I thought you believed any European (where European=not UK or operating with Yanks) army was unable to do a thing? Operation LICORNE seems to have been quite successful....but there are French people. No! No! Basically, you're a tiresome political hack.
1. It doesn't. Two wrongs never make a right, to coin a phrase. As I said, all I'm looking for is a little equivalance in indignation. If, for instance, a US General had been suspended pending investigations of a cover-up after his troops had murdered a suspect, we would never have heard the last of it.

2. I do not understand what you are saying... believed any European... etc?

3. Yeah, great sucess, Unicorn, slaughtering unarmed demonstrators.

4. When someone goes ad hominem, they've blown it. What's your problem with someone having strong political views? Is that not allowed on this forum?
 
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1. a:So what are you doing on this thread? b: a US General, in fact more than one US Generals, have been, and we have yet to hear the last of it.

2. The main thrust of every comment of yours appears to be that only the US (and perhaps token UK and Israeli contingents) can possibly be competent.

3. I'd disagree. LICORNE has been a success - the civil war in Ivory Coast is now over and French interests have been protected, and now things are calm enough for legal disputes. You seem to believe that a pure Classical Realist view of international relations is ideal for the UK, so why not for France?

4. Shorter North: Foiled again.
 
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The report quoted the U.S. soldiers as saying they burned the bodies for reasons of hygiene. But the act could be "deeply offensive" to Muslims, whose faith prohibits cremation and demands respect for the dead.


DEEPLY OFFENSIVE?!!!!!

I find a man driving a car into a crowded city market and blowing himself and a 300 citizens deeply offensive!
I find a mob pouring petrol over a man and setting him on fire deeply offensive!
I find a group of militiamen cutting the head of a civilian contractor and posting the video for his family to see deeply offensive.
I find a group of militiamen executing, burning and then hoisting for a display number of civilian contarctors deeply offensive.


I'll cut you a deal Jihad, you stop this f*ckin nonesense right now and we'll stop burning your dead. Sound like a plan?

All the windows in MY glass house have a bloody great hole in them!

NFTR
 
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Escape-from-PPRuNe said:
The main thrust of every comment of yours appears to be that only the US (and perhaps token UK and Israeli contingents) can possibly be competent.
News to me.
 

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