Is anyone else getting incresingly tired of such a backward and unfocused mission as this? From secretaries of state claiming we could be out within a year to Generals suggesting it would take 40 years to have made enough progress so we can say "mission accomplished". I supported the war initially as the Taleban needed to be dealt with and I'm behind the boys four square...but it's been years since the invasion and what have we acheived? Nobody seems to know what consitutes a win there either. America and the UK keep talking about giving "freedom" and "democracy" to the Afghan people. But Afghanistan being the 4th poorest country on the planet, who adhere to a draconian religion (it's only been a centruy since Britain and the US weren't seriously influenced by religion and to some extent we still are - with the pope still being a powerful figure in western civilisations) so what the bleep are we going to do with a country that's so poor it relies heavily on the illegal drugs trade? On top of that - The "wests" freedom means essentially any boy or girl should grow up being able to be educated, to love whomever they want in society and to move around in society to their best potential. The easts version of freedom is "you leave me the hell alone to be amongst my tribe, beliefs and people and we won't have a problem." So far all the UK and US seem to be doing is propping up a corrupt, defunct and backward government? Surely the US can see this direct parrallel to Vietnam. The government in Afghanistan recently passed a law saying it's ok to beat or starve your wife if she doesn't have sex with you X amount of times a week. Are you telling me the Taleban would be worst?? As long as we keep confusing military and political objectives we will be at a stale mate - we went there to kill the Taleban, not to be moral police or nation builders. I have family in Ireland who pulled their daughters out of school because they believe "a womans place is at home and they don't need to be educated". If that sort of attitude is rife in one of the oldest democracies, what do we hope on achieiving with people with a far more radicalised mind set on top of having no education and being completely illiterate!!!??? Rant over.