Afghanistan going to plan - Hoon


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Sorry if this is posted elsewhere but this cnut just Fecks me off...

Foreign office minister Geoff Hoon has responded to claims British forces in Afghanistan are "overstretched" and said the mission is going as planned.
Mr Hoon, defence secretary in the 2001 invasion, said the resistance curently being faced in the south had been anticipated and "always...planned for".

Tory MP Sir John Stanley had told MPs in a Westminster debate that UK troops were "more than pulling their weight".

But, he said, they were undermanned and lacked vital equipment.

Sir John, who visited Afghanistan six weeks ago with two other members of the Commons foreign affairs committee, told MPs during the Westminster Hall debate that Britain was "right" to be in the country.

"We are right to have removed the Taleban, we are right to be there, but we have got to do more in terms of deploying resources there to make certain we win on security grounds and we have got to be prepared to be there for the long haul."

'Thinly spread'

And he warned: "Unless we get on top, satisfactorily, of the security situation in Afghanistan we are not going to be able to achieve long-term stability for that country."

British, American and Canadian forces were "more than pulling their weight", he told MPs.

But Nato forces were too "thinly spread" in the south, putting them in "constant vulnerability of finding themselves significantly outnumbered" by Taleban fighters.

He called on the government to exert more pressure on other Nato countries deployed in Afghanistan to lift their restrictions on sending troops to the south of the country.

But he also criticised UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, who he said had failed to deliver on his promise to give British troops all the equipment they wanted.

"There is little doubt that the present government's reductions of the size of the British army and an insufficiency of operational aircraft, particularly helicopters, is producing profound overstretch, as between Iraq and Afghanistan," said Sir John.


There were too many troops in Iraq, in the context of what they could realistically achieve, and not enough in Afghanistan, he added.

He also called for greater efforts to fight corruption in the Afghanistan government.

"There is very serious, and I think it would not be no exaggeration to say, all-pervasisve corruption within the Afghanistan government," Sir John told MPs.

Labour MP Paul Flynn also highlighted "endemic corruption" in the Afghan government, with the exception, he said, of president Hamid Karzai.

He called on British troops to be withdrawn from Helmand province, in the south of the country, as they faced an "unattainable" mission.

Conservative MP Geoffrey Clifton-Brown said the coalition's aim of handing control over to the Afghan police and army by 2010 was "vastly over-optimistic".

'Key institutions'

In reply, Mr Hoon said MPs were being too pessimistic about progress in Afghanistan and he praised the way Afghans had "effectively rebuilt their nation from scratch" since 2001.

The "key state institutions are now in place" the economy was growing rapidly, five million children, 37% of them girls, were in school and "much of Afghanistan is at peace", Mr Hoon told MPs, but he conceded "challenges remain".

"We cannot win in Afghanistan through military action alone.

"There is a need to extend the rule of law and the writ of the democratically elected Afghan authorities across those parts of the country where there are still challenges.

"The Afghan government wants and needs to take responsibility for the security of its country and its people as soon as it can.

"But until a new Afhgan national army and a reformed Afghan national police force have been trained and equipped and are fully deployed, international forces will need to remain in Afghanistan."

'Major challenge'

Asked if there were enough troops in Afghanistan, the Europe minister insisted military operations were going to plan.

"We always anticipated that the resistance, particularly of the criminal and terrorist elements in the south, would be one of the most difficult problems, so it is not surprising that we are facing those kinds of attacks in the south.

"That was always anticipated and it was always planned for."

But he conceded corruption in the country's government "remains a major challenge".


War Hero
So just why was this person sacked again?

ps what's he minister of now? handjobs?

The Rt Hon Geoff Hoon, MP, yesterday.


Hoon went to the same Nottingham School as Ken Clarke and Ed Clarke he is a lawyer...........and lawyers tell lies for their client in return for a Grace & Favour apartment and tables at the best restaurants.

Hoon is now Europe Minister - a job once held by the saturnine Keith Vaz who combined his role as Immigration Minister with his wife's job as Immigration Lawyer.................

Just because soldiers get dished up to the International Criminal Court and politicians don't just reflects the duplicitous nature of the crowd you elected back in 1997
To be fair it is going to plan.

The plan was to tie up large amounts of service personel and make sure that the media has something to look at while the Govt. introduce lots of dodgy "terror laws" and generaly fcuk up the country. Job done.


Maybe he can go out and lead a few patrols then - after all , have they fired a shot yet ??

Any doubts that this man is a fool have now been removed - but this sort of fool costs lives.