Afghanistan-bacha bazi

Daxx

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I think the OP is an idiot, and I don't even know he/she works for the Daily Mail.
 
Presumeably a committee staffed by representatives of numerous countries that don't honour it?
A committee more interested in getting a funding stream in order to continue to let the gravy train roll on.

have you seen the earning potential
For UN employees?
 

Daxx

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I have always liked the Guardian, it's a lot more absorbent than the Mail.
 
Which hasn't been happening for the last ten plus years.

You may want to start your research on what's already been done and is being done.

Although I do pity the poor sod that has to rescue the well meaning westerner who decides to go out into the badlands to do the education.
Come, come. It's not all been failure. The opium poppy economy is happily now something consigned to history.
 
Enough! You non believers need to remember that DFiD spent a cool quarter of a million building a ferris wheel at LKG to 'empower' Afghan women.

I wonder how that worked out.......
 
If and its a big if, this does come on the attention of the SC, it becomes a priority for UN humanitarian organisations, they create budgets and start funding local orgs who start educating, creating awareness, providing some services..currently sexual violence against males isn't part of any programmatic responses
The Afghans don't take kindly to being told what to do. Education isn't too high on their agenda and they have a tendency to be somewhat violent towards folk that insult what they see as tradition.

I applaud your idealism but you're incredibly naive. We couldn't drag the Afghans into the modern world by force so dont expect good intentions to get you anywhere.
 

CanteenCowboy

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In Afghanistan Kandahar province was known as a hotbed of male homosexuality, and as Helmand was only formed from Kandahar in iirc the 60's, so the same is true for it. There is an old Afghan saying that the birds fly over Kandahar on one wing, it being inferred that the other wing is covering their anus to prevent them being raped.

The original narrative of the founding of the Taliban involved child rape; two children (some original accounts stated they were young boys, later sanitised accounts stated they were young girls) were abducted by the men of a local Warlord and suffered multiple rapes. The families of the victims approached the Warlord for recompense and some form of justice, this was refused and the Warlord threatened the families with violence. Feeling cheated and thirsting for justice the aggrieved parties contacted Mullah Omar, as the nearest "expert" in Islamic jurisprudence. He too was unable to obtain satisfaction through normal procedures and traditional ways he then mobilised his Taliban (it being the collective noun for religious students, that's why some people tried to get us to refer to them as "the enemy") stormed the Warlords compound and effected justice by executing all involved. This sated the injured parties thirst for justice, and led to the Taliban taking over as the people oppressed by the criminal Warlords cried out for justice.

During the Talibans reign over Afghanistan, overt homosexual behaviour was both socially and legally forbidden. Whilst known or suspected homosexuals were executed for un-Islamic behaviour, the culturally accepted practice we knew as "Chia boys" just withdrew out of sight. Once the Taliban were removed then "Chia boys" then returned into the mainstream again and overt homosexual behaviour slowly returned into public life including the public flaunting of "Chia boys" by those wealthy and powerful enough to ignore public censure.

As I regularly went through the mobile telephones of the ANP we were training, if the platoon staff's suspicious hackles were raised by any behaviour, I became far more knowledgeable of what the average Helmandi man enjoyed in the way of music and video than I really wanted to. Whilst nothing approached the pornographic level of content that I know the Jocks had on their laptops, it was strangely different. Whilst all would have various popular songs from local films, and one video of some Afghan girls dancing rather unconvingly to some song (all the same four girls dancing in different clothes in what looked like a wedding hall), but all would have numerous videos and pictures of young (ranging from pre-teen to late teens) boys fully clothed in various settings, a very popular setting was next to a waterfall and the inclusion of the ubiquitous AK 47 was also very popular. Whilst I also knew the local ANP Security Detachment commander was hiring in Chia boys every Thursday night, along with some locally produced hash, there was also former Taliban commanders Chia boys in the ranks of the ANP we were training. The societal disconnect between women and men in Afghan culture is mirrored throughout the Middle East, in Afghanistan upto the age of 8 a boy will live in close proximity to female family members, then he will enter into a male dominated world where women are treated as important parts of the family honour, but at the same time as less than human. Until a young man can amass the finances required to make a marriage he will have to recourse to a) female prostitution, very hard to procure and unnatractive or b) young male prostitution, widely available and to the Afghan culturally preferable.

Those with intimate knowledge of Afghanistan will immediately notice there's no mention of the ISI or any outside influence in the original narrative, and no doubt the real origins of the Taliban is much more complex involving the eternal struggle and proxy war between Pakistan and India. The only element that has a grain of truth is the lack of access to legal justice, this the Taliban promised to change, one of the most common complaints from Local Nationals throughout our time in Afghanistan was for access to a legal system which was fair and free from undue influence of local power brokers. This was for everything ranging from land disputes, through squatters rights to business matters and even now is used by the Taliban as a way to gain influence in contested areas and as a draw for the local population.

The issue is extremely complex and involves power, cultural, religious and financial issues, short of killing every Afghan male above the age of 2 and starting again there's nothing that the West can really do. Indeed to most western eyes the whole issue is alien and frighteningly barbaric, however it does mirror our own societal evolution and history it's just there's been no movement forward for some time and seems to our view horribly backwards and barbaric Conversely our modern society seems to their eyes immoral and decadent destined to end in the fires of hell.
 
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Caecilius

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As some one else on this thread said, it is about education but also accountability.
I think we were all backward three generations back, we changed, our views changed (not saying we were going about abusing kids).
This is why we're coming across as defensive. It's because you haven't got the first clue what Afghanistan is actually like. In terms of cultural equivalence, don't think us three generations back; think us in the Middle Ages, but arguably without the semblance of law and order that was present in 1500 but with the addition of guns and cell phones.

By all means research this, but if you think you can change the first thing about Afghanistan without large scale troop deployments then you are simply delusional.

This is what happens to well meaning civilians in the safer areas of Afghanistan: Australian aid worker kidnapped in Kabul, reports say
 

jrwlynch

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I met many NGOs who were equally passionate about, Owens issues,lack of access to healthcare, water, contraception, jobs, food, freedom of speech, trees,pomegranates, and even some crazy s who wanted to spread the word of God.

In all cases we got the blame somehow, nobody ever seemed to blame the afghans who were generally quite happy to sit on their arses expecting free hand outs of cash.

We could've sorted out Afghanistan quite easily, but sadly these days we're not allowed to march large army groups into foreign country's and lay waste to the population until they yield to our belief systems. Maybe you should research into how the Empire managed to stamp out so many horrific cultural norms like canabilism, slavery etc. It normally came down to the type of people you're no doubt trying to blame stabbing and punching these people into civilisation.
An acquaintance wrote this in another forum back in 2004 - still uncomfortably true today.

Yesterday human rights lawyers and peace activists combined to stage a protest at the International Criminal Court as British soldiers were charged with violating the human rights of the civilians they brutally gunned down in Basketcaseomalia.

"The British soldiers claim their victims were 'caught raping and killing unarmed civilians in a refugee camp, and opened fire with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades when challenged by their patrol commander'. Act E'Viste, chair of the Human Rights Now! pressure group claimed that the the prosecutions would send a clear message that soldiers were not above the universal principles of human rights and international law, and could not hide behind their uniforms and their guns when caught in their militaristic, brutal crimes against humanity.

"Asked about the parallel indictment of the British Prime Minister by the International War Crimes Tribunal, Mr E'Viste claimed that 'everybody knows the British government has done nothing to stop the massacres of refugees in Basketcaseomalia. Continued inaction by Western governments in the face of atrocities there is a war crime'. "
 

Caecilius

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An acquaintance wrote this in another forum back in 2004 - still uncomfortably true today.

Yesterday human rights lawyers and peace activists combined to stage a protest at the International Criminal Court as British soldiers were charged with violating the human rights of the civilians they brutally gunned down in Basketcaseomalia.

"The British soldiers claim their victims were 'caught raping and killing unarmed civilians in a refugee camp, and opened fire with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades when challenged by their patrol commander'. Act E'Viste, chair of the Human Rights Now! pressure group claimed that the the prosecutions would send a clear message that soldiers were not above the universal principles of human rights and international law, and could not hide behind their uniforms and their guns when caught in their militaristic, brutal crimes against humanity.

"Asked about the parallel indictment of the British Prime Minister by the International War Crimes Tribunal, Mr E'Viste claimed that 'everybody knows the British government has done nothing to stop the massacres of refugees in Basketcaseomalia. Continued inaction by Western governments in the face of atrocities there is a war crime'. "
Sometimes you have to take a bigger picture view. We could have tried to stop the pederasty in afghanistan, but the cost would have been a significant number of dead British soldiers and a total breakdown in relations with the afghans. Whether the overall mission was ever likely to be achieved or not (and let's not discuss that here), we would have reached almost immediate catastrophic failure if we'd had to intervene in these kind of cases. We'd also stop nothing in the long run.

It's similar to the poppy eradication issue. In an ideal world we'd like to have secured the country and stopped the poppy growth. In reality our poppy eradication efforts cost a lot of lives, achieved little effect and yet significantly hampered the overall campaign until we finally realised we should stop.
 
By all means research this, but if you think you can change the first thing about Afghanistan without large scale troop deployments then you are simply delusional.
Can you imagine that security council meeting?

It belongs in B_B's "Say again boss?" thread.

"Right then. Remember that time we spent hundreds of billions, the lives of over three thousand of our personnel and spent more time than the Russians trying to make the Afghans adopt western values and democracy? Well I propose we go back to stop them touching boys......what do you say guys?.......guys?........no......no.....please...no......arrrgh"
 

jarrod248

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Can you imagine that security council meeting?

It belongs in B_B's "Say again boss?" thread.

"Right then. Remember that time we spent hundreds of billions, the lives of over three thousand of our personnel and spent more time than the Russians trying to make the Afghans adopt western values and democracy? Well I propose we go back to stop them touching boys......what do you say guys?.......guys?........no......no.....please...no......arrrgh"
Bung then some cash to stop it then the pretty boys might get decent lube.
I expect he dreams of stopping this horror with other people's money.
 

Cutaway

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Bung then some cash to stop it then the pretty boys might get decent lube.
I expect he dreams of stopping this horror with other people's money.
Well that is the socialist cultural norm.
 

Cutaway

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A bit cynical, J.
Thinking of relocating ?
 

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