AFGHANISTAN 2021:. THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

Eerr...let's not talk about Hunter Biden then.

Chinese money that just perhaps his old man could be involved with, drugs and other questionable activities.
Oh we can, he is a genuine pos who needs to decorate a lamp post. The apple didn’t fall to far from the tree. Biden and company have managed to fall from Grace in short order. He will eventually get to face the music in the future.
 
Of course that’s just what Afghanistan needs, a national flag carrier.

Giving them access to aircraft is what started all this!

How many Afghans were in control of the hijacked aircraft on 9/11?

NONE: 15 from the West's great ally KSA, 2 from the UAE, 1 from Lebanon and 1 from Egypt.
 
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How many Afghans were in the cockpit on 9/11?

NONE. 15 from the West's great ally KSA, 2 from the UAE, 1 from Lebanon and 1 from Egypt.

I think some serious re-evaluation of 'friends' is long overdue.
KSA with its oil, tiny Qatar with its global media reach, support for Hamas - maybe Pakistan for happily formenting trouble in the region if it annoys India.
Whilst much US tech may have been disabled in Afghanistan, once again, an Army's worth of useful kit has been gifted - similar in Libya.
As for NATO, makes you wonder whether looking to former Warsaw Pact country's like Poland for leadership may have legs. At least they take the threat seriously - be it Russia or political Islam and mass immigration.
 
Eerr...let's not talk about Hunter Biden then.

Chinese money that just perhaps his old man could be involved with, drugs and other questionable activities.
"just perhaps" being another way of saying "almost certainly hasn't, because there isn't a scrap of evidence to say he has".
HB is a classic of a second son syndrome.
His brother was the upstanding golden boy, groomed for greatness. Then he had the bad grace to die.
HB was the playboy wastrel, and family embarrassment.
If HB was seen by the Ukrainian oil industry as an access path to his dad, there hasn't been any credible evidence that Joe is any more bent than your average Beltway veteran.
 
How many Afghans were in control of the hijacked aircraft on 9/11?

NONE: 15 from the West's great ally KSA, 2 from the UAE, 1 from Lebanon and 1 from Egypt.
Weren't all the aircraft involved in 9/11 US flagged?
Perhaps the US shouldn't be trusted to operate airliners.
 
If the report is correct, was this done at the request of a legal authority (whoever that may be), or did Google decide on its own that it would withhold data? Either way, this sets an interesting precedent, and if the latter, a dangerous one.

'Google has temporarily locked down an unspecified number of Afghan government email accounts, according to a person familiar with the matter, as fears grow over the digital paper trail left by former officials and their international partners.

'In the weeks since the Taliban's swift takeover of Afghanistan from a U.S.-backed government, reports have highlighted how biometric and Afghan payroll databases might be exploited by the new rulers to hunt their enemies.

'In a statement on Friday, Alphabet Inc's Google (GOOGL.O)stopped short of confirming that Afghan government accounts were being locked down, saying that the company was monitoring the situation in Afghanistan and "taking temporary actions to secure relevant accounts."


 

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Well we did have the 5G spat last year, which was an eye opener.
We will see how things shake out over the next few months.

In fairness to BoJo, he has taken actions to prevent critical industries coming into the control of the Chinese, and has ordered a review into industrial and technical capabilities key to national security, and protecting them from being taken over by foreign concerns.

It was David Cameron and George Osborne that loved Chinese investment in infrastructure projects.

BBC: UK Government draws up plans to rescue key firms

The bailout plan, named "Project Birch", was mentioned by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps in Parliament last week when discussing the future of the aviation industry.

The state could also take stakes in companies, reports the Financial Times.

HM Treasury said bailouts would only be considered as a "last resort".

In a statement, a Treasury spokeswoman said: "We have put in place unprecedented levels of support to help businesses get through this crisis. Beyond that many firms are getting support from established market mechanisms, such as existing shareholders, bank lending and commercial finance.

"In exceptional circumstances, where a viable company has exhausted all options and its failure would disproportionately harm the economy*, we may consider support on a 'last resort' basis.


"As the British public would expect, we are putting in place sensible contingency planning and any such support would be on terms that protect the taxpayer."

*Or national security - see Sheffield Forgemasters.


Also: Britain moves to protect its defense industry from foreign influence

LONDON – Defense and space industries are among nearly twenty sectors named by the British government in the introduction of new legislation Nov. 11 aimed at tightening regulations allowing it to block potentially hostile direct foreign investment.

The government said the National Security and Investment Bill will strengthen its ability to investigate and intervene in mergers, acquisitions and other types of deals potentially posing a threat to British national security.

Artificial intelligence, robotics, military or dual-use technologies, satellite and space technologies, defense and critical suppliers to the government were among 17 industry sectors included in the new legislation.
 

Goatman

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Well it does seem the older millennials are starting to really call out leadership over across the pond. It is an interesting day when field grades are publicly calling out the boomers. I do believe we are going to see some massive changes to American foreign policy when the Snowflakes throw the older generation into the tar pit.

A Snowflake Monroe Doctrine ? - that really will be something to see, ideally from the width of the Atlantic away, just for a change.

Hopefully our own spineless political class will be able to restrain their poodle-wannabe urges this time.

' Dear Sam,

Awkward this, but truth is - we are a little tired of playing Johnny Gurkha to your Great White(-ish) Hope.

All is not lost; we have some jolly decent chaps who have just arrived you may wish to consider for the US Foreign Legion/ Uncle Sam's Misguided Children ?

Liz sends love and hugs,



pip pip and all that rot.


Affect. yrs,

The Elders '




Buena Fortuna
in Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, PR, Guam, the PI, the banana Reps and Mexico amigo.
 
A Snowflake Monroe Doctrine ? - that really will be something to see, ideally from the width of the Atlantic away, just for a change.

Hopefully our own spineless political class will be able to restrain their poodle-wannabe urges this time.

' Dear Sam,

Awkward this, but truth is - we are a little tired of playing Johnny Gurkha to your Great White(-ish) Hope.

All is not lost; we have some jolly decent chaps who have just arrived you may wish to consider for the US Foreign Legion/ Uncle Sam's Misguided Children ?

Liz sends love and hugs,



pip pip and all that rot.


Affect. yrs,

The Elders '




Buena Fortuna
in Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, PR, Guam, the PI, the banana Reps and Mexico amigo.
Nation building is just not in anymore, and the neocons are on the way out.
That being said coalition’s to contain China and Iran are important, but partners with capabilities are the ideal type.

But maintaining our ability to act in a unilateral manner is important. To many cooks spoil the broth and if “partners” don’t have capability that is a hard pass. You don’t get a seat at the table if all you have to offer is a bouquet of flowers and and “ thought leadership”.
 

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Yokel

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Goatman

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Sharks nearer the boat:


I think a re-set of US stance towards Pakistan is way overdue - but given the FMS deals America has done with them in the past 40 years, there is far too much sunk political and economic capital for it to happen in a hurry.


Report outlines FY 2001-FY 2014 Pakistan FMS deals - Breitbart

Major post-2001 defense supplies procured, or being procured by Pakistan through the Foreign Military Sales program, are eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (four were delivered but three of them were subsequently destroyed in a 2011 terrorist attack); at least 5,750 military radio sets; 2,007 TOW anti-armor missiles; six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars; six C-130E Hercules transport aircraft and their refurbishment; a Perry-class missile frigate; 20 refurbished AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, of which 12 have been delivered; and 15 Scan Eagle reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles.

( It would involve people in Foggy Bottom admitting that their strategy since backing Zia Ul-Haq has been ill-conceived.)
 
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I am not sure that @Steamboat was talking about the UN Security Council.

Various forms of hard and soft power are involved. Military capabilities, influence due to history, the diplomatic network, certain industrial and technical capabilities....
The UN is a waste of time.
The US has military and economic power to use. Our soft power is a bit bruised and in tatters. Afghanistan has been a black eye for the White House and Joint Chiefs, but the Armed forces will get a boost in funding. Russia and China should be concerned about more spending for technology and high tech boom sticks. They will be pointed at them and they know it.

Both countries will also have to keep real tabs on Afghanistan as the country is closer to them then the US and we are not a sponge anymore to attract the Jihadis.
 
Sharks nearer the boat:


I think a re-set of US stance towards Pakistan is way overdue - but given the FMS deals America has done with them in the past 40 years, there is far too much sunk political and economic capital for it to happen in a hurry.


Report outlines FY 2001-FY 2014 Pakistan FMS deals - Breitbart

Major post-2001 defense supplies procured, or being procured by Pakistan through the Foreign Military Sales program, are eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (four were delivered but three of them were subsequently destroyed in a 2011 terrorist attack); at least 5,750 military radio sets; 2,007 TOW anti-armor missiles; six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars; six C-130E Hercules transport aircraft and their refurbishment; a Perry-class missile frigate; 20 refurbished AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, of which 12 have been delivered; and 15 Scan Eagle reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles.

( It would involve people in Foggy Bottom admitting that their strategy since backing Zia Ul-Haq has been ill-conceived.)
Hasn't the US been giving Pakistan billions in miltary aid every year due to the fact that they were supposedly a key ally in the war against terror. There must be a good case to cut that to zero now after all Pakistans double dealing. Plus they won't be able to loot all the supply convoys that went from Karachi through the Kyber pass to Nato in Afghanistan.

Its long overdue for a big reckoning with Pakistan. A rogue state if ever there was one.
 
Hasn't the US been giving Pakistan billions in miltary aid every year due to the fact that they were supposedly a key ally in the war against terror. There must be a good case to cut that to zero now after all Pakistans double dealing. Plus they won't be able to loot all the supply convoys that went from Karachi through the Kyber pass to Nato in Afghanistan.

Its long overdue for a big reckoning with Pakistan. A rogue state if ever there was one.
Would love to see it but don't think it will happen.
 

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Hasn't the US been giving Pakistan billions in miltary aid every year due to the fact that they were supposedly a key ally in the war against terror. There must be a good case to cut that to zero now after all Pakistans double dealing. Plus they won't be able to loot all the supply convoys that went from Karachi through the Kyber pass to Nato in Afghanistan.

Its long overdue for a big reckoning with Pakistan. A rogue state if ever there was one.
In the late 1980's the US attitude to India was that any military tech that went there 'ended up in Moz Kao'....this attitude was echoed, to a smaller degree , in Whitehall at the time.

' Yes, of course India is a big market but - can't afford to p1ss off the Yanks old boy ? '

US support for Pakistan - and ...um...some dubious leadership therein - pre-dates the Soviet invasion of AFG.

India's loudly proclaimed stance as a major player in the Non-Aligned Movement during the Cold War didn't help their street cred in Washington either.
 

john_singh

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BBC shuts down senior academic when she talks about how Pakistan has harboured and nurtured terrorists

The video embedded in the story is disgusting. I wonder if they would have taken that attitude with any other country.
The al-bbc do have an agenda and it is not pro UK.
Christine Fair is a very respected academic and researcher. Her videos on YouTube are very imformative.

 
Now things are getting interesting! Some good disinformation (from one source or another). I'd be surprised if the Chinese were to put military boots into Afghanistan, but they do need a secure facility to work from as they dismantle the country's mineral wealth.

'China is currently conducting a feasibility study into sending workers, soldiers and other staff related to its foreign economic investment program, the Belt and Road Initiative, to Bagram airfield, USN reported Wednesday.

'Citing a source briefed on the study by Chinese military officials, who spoke to US News on condition of anonymity, the consideration in Beijing is not for any pending movements, rather a potential deployment as long as two years from now.

'However, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Tuesday issued a denial of plans for a takeover of the military airfield, which is about an hour from Kabul.

'Bagram air base was first established by the Soviets during their occupation in Afghanistan and was then used by the US.

“What I can tell everyone is that that is a piece of purely false information,” Wang Wenbin told reporters Tuesday morning.'


 

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