Presumably you would wish them to advance a little bit? Or should they stay in the Stone Age?gennithmedic said:It's not shocking to the people who've lived there for thousands of years.
I bet they're really disturbed to see the West's provision of care homes, pensions, medical facilities, Meals on Wheels and an almost total lack of beatings. No wonder they, and many other rag-head oxygen thieves, regard us as wierd.gennithmedic said:They would probably find our treatment of old people to be equally disturbing.
Super, that's a good reason for beating the kid, is it? Or at least, according to your values, "We shouldn't criticise 'cos that's what they do." Awesome morals, Gennith.gennithmedic said:I know it looks fcuking terrible to treat a girl like a chattel, and to beat ten bells into her.
But that's their way.
I'm no expert but I think the girl was a payment to another family, or clan, to avert a feud. Feuding is the national sport of Helmand. It could be that this girls sacrifice has saved dozens of lives.
How recently is that? Facts, not dribblings, will be of some help.gennithmedic said:Still not good? Consider that in our culture a woman is "given away" by her father at the wedding. Until recently a woman had to get a male relative to sign for her mortgage or for a loan.
Where does your small brain suggest we "dump" lonely OAPs? Are you talking about "care in the family"? Unqualified care, of course, but at least granny won't be lonely when she's surrounded by screaming kids and a stressed mummy while daddy tries to bring in the cash to feed another mouth.gennithmedic said:Consider the lonely OAP dumped in "care homes."
Borders are there for a good reason and should be fanatically defended!
I know you are'nt "smoking something", so what are you on that triggered that nonsense?gennithmedic said:My Point?
Don't be "shocked" by foreign cultures that you wouldn't condemn a paedophile to live in. Those countries are the norm, unfortunately. Rather be shocked by traitors who damage the west and it's unique values.
So we're current then. Happened before you were born, so it's not an issue ... you can sign.gennithmedic said:Equal Rights Legislation in the 70's let women sign for their own mortgages etc.
Many Oriental families live in the "extended family" ... in the West we tend to leave home and go away. I assume you are Oriental.gennithmedic said:Care for the elderly with family preferable to care of strangers paid minimum wage. Speak to a Chinese. They are shocked by our "dying home" system. It's fairly new- for thousands of years the elderly expected to die surrounded by loved ones.
There are large areas of the world where moral values are either absent or so different as to be incomprehensible to European eyes. That doesn't make their actions "acceptable to us" or even "right".gennithmedic said:I'm no moralist, just realist to see that the majority of the world- ie not the West is a horrible, brutal place. Consider if this girl had been born in Somalia- her own family would have been chopping bits off her! If Cambodian she'd have been rented out to Gary Gltter etc.
Those affected are affected. Those who moralise are, of course, moral. Those who dictate how other people live their lives are called dictators. The clues are in the words.gennithmedic said:Knew you'd bite on your drug habit reference! How's the ban going down in St.Helier? Clicking yet?
A sensible input at last!chillman said:So what? Doesn't mean Brits are backwards or brutal. Just that alot of people in a lot of places are screwed up. Whats new.
As with many cultures that we find alien, including many Arabs ... we have something to learn in that area, I agree.chillman said:Im not saying Afghan cultures particulalry great, but they do have some good things. For example Pashtuns are duty bound to take care of strangers and guests who seek shelter with them (partly the reason they wouldn't give up Bin Laden) and to protect them with their lives no matter who they are, or whether they like them or not.
Unfortunately, this gets taken to excess and leads to war and killing ... like parts of the UK.chillman said:And then there's an honour code, not letting anyone take the urine with them etc. I know this, my pashtun/english mate from Sheffield reminds me every minute.
Agreed, although see my earlier post. The UK [and Western] lifestyle does not lend itself as easily to this approach, regardless of its perceived merits. I have an aunt in a home in the UK ... because she needs constant attention and supervision.chillman said:And I think the Asian way of looking after the oldies is better. I think old people in this country are often bloody lonely and unhappy. And disrespected by a large part of society as well. We lose hands down on that one to a lot of 'backward' countries.
So you are now advocating changing the Afghani culture?gennithmedic said:"That doesn't make their actions acceptable to us"
If an action is not "acceptable" then it gets changed. Unless you're some kind of surrender monkey, taking orders from Hermann the German...
I know it was my quote, and you quoted it suggesting that "if unacceptable it should be changed". So, pea-brain, I asked if you advocated changing Afghani culture [presumably by diktat, as military options seem significantly difficult]. now you have expressed a view ... "Too difficult, but their nice chaps really so long as they stay there" ... growing opium poppies and battering kids.gennithmedic said:Er, Blue. The quote was yours.
Either that wine is cheap over there, or you're very wealthy.
Trying to get Johnny Pathan to change his ways is unhealthy and impossible. We had 150years+( and The Will) but gave up. The little dears have their plus points. I just like them better when their far away.
How dare you suggest that I have an interest in soccer!
Both.gennithmedic said:Either that wine is cheap over there, or you're very wealthy.
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