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Afghan village opens in Camp Bastion for training UK troops

#2
I see that the MoD has gone the extra mile: "As well as the villagers, there are also some permanent residents in the form of goats and chickens providing added realism."

All I can say is that from my experience, British soldiers in Afg (last time I was there was 2009) have never had a problem learning to interract with goats and chickens. More importantly, they are already the best in the world interracting with 'local people' too: making friends, doing the proper stuff with elders, etc. They don't imho need an actor with a towel on his head to give them extra guidance.

42 were particularly good at this, from memory.

Why we need an MoD simulation created in the very country they are deployed in is a mystery. Could the dosh not be better spent, given pre deployment training is actually of a very high standard?
 
#5
I see that the MoD has gone the extra mile: "As well as the villagers, there are also some permanent residents in the form of goats and chickens providing added realism."
That has disaster written all over it, Shall we place bet how long it will be before an OC/SSM goes back to his accommodation to find a goat eating his camp cot?
 
#6
They're real Afghans. If the training's so good then what's wrong with even better training?
Well, they're real Afghans pretending to be real Afghans on the MoD payroll. All I'm saying is that the Brits out there already mesh with the locals better than the others I've seen, including the boxheads, the Canadians and certainly the Americans.

If they rented out the facility to the Yanks, they might do more good.

Nowt wrong with better training where it's needed. IEDs, for example, rather than 'authentic' Afghans.
 
#11
What better training would you like to see/undertake with regards to IEDs?

Do you have any specific questions?
Just two:

How much money did the MoD invest in the Camp Bastion reality camp?

How much of this money could have been better spent on speeding up training on the vast array of anti IED kit that we're constantly being told is available, but there aren't enough trained bods to operate?
 
#13
Does this mean that The pre deployment training in STANTA where they had the Afghan village is not taking place ?

Is the training instead, or as well as ?

I understand that if it's instead of, then :

It saves money, and is obviously conducted far better in theatre by locals who look like locals. Saw a clip on TV of a unit training in STANTA and it was snowing. Also they will get up to the minute intel from people in theatre. Overall makes sense to me.
 
#15
Just two:

How much money did the MoD invest in the Camp Bastion reality camp?

How much of this money could have been better spent on speeding up training on the vast array of anti IED kit that we're constantly being told is available, but there aren't enough trained bods to operate?
You've lost me with the anti-IED kit, such things simply don't exist unfortunately. The trained bods you speak of are highly skilled, it's not a simple case of bolting on a package to an infantryman and they can merrily go about their business safely.

The money would have been better spent on providing uplifts in equipment and vehicles for the C-IED teams. The previous government is guilty of negligence in that it identified the extent of the IED threat, but did not ensure appropriate funding for C-IED teams. Instead, teams functioned on minimal kit, we are lucky there are only 5 dead operators and one VSI (not to mention the heavy price paid by other members of the C-IED TF).

You currently know all you need to know, stick with what you are taught and do it properly, as taught.
 
#16
Just two:

How much money did the MoD invest in the Camp Bastion reality camp?

How much of this money could have been better spent on speeding up training on the vast array of anti IED kit that we're constantly being told is available, but there aren't enough trained bods to operate?
would the money have been better spent on Afghanistan's first Olympic swimming pool? maybe they have one now, but on my last trip out there in 2007 we just had solar showers.
 
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#17
just wondering if the camp is open on thursday evenings? with all that opium in country they sure do have a filthy crack habit...
 
#18
It snows in Kabul, and we done pre-deployment in Stanta whilst it was snowing. Specific training for certain troops. Makes sense to me too.
 
#19
Just two:

How much money did the MoD invest in the Camp Bastion reality camp?

How much of this money could have been better spent on speeding up training on the vast array of anti IED kit that we're constantly being told is available, but there aren't enough trained bods to operate?
Our build up training for Iraq was done in the UK in the depths of winter, guarding European style 3 storey concrete buildings and fighting through NI-style terraced streets - in the freezing cold. It was an alien world to us when we arrived. For Afghan, we trained in Canada which was better - but still nowhere near realistic enough to give us any sort of grounding in what to expect.

The 'reality camp' sounds like a great idea to me. A chance to get SOP's in order and run through contact drills, etc. in an environment exactly like the one you're about to deploy into.
 
#20
Seems fairly sensible to me to get a place to do 'arrival training' properly - if nothing else, then its a chance to get used to operating here with the heat. I arrived here in the height of summer, and had done my OPTAG in a hot UK summer - that didnt begin to prepare me for the challenge of wearing Osprey and just basic working in the heat we get here.

Personally I'd like to see a smaller one built for Kabul training, that teaches new arrivals the key military skills of haggling for the best deal in a bazaar, moaning about how slow the free broadband in all the cabins is, and how to drink champagne illicitly at embassy receptions ;-)
 

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