Afghan Culture

#1
I was at a friend's birthday the other night. Pretty much everyone there were either recently graduated students or students after placement years, and being an opinionated bunch out to spread the idea of tolerant liberalness across the land the talk turned to ISIS and Afghanistan.

Most were aware I'm currently serving, so were keen to get my opinion, though I was quick to point out I've not been there so can only go off of things I've been told by pals, or seen through work. One recurring theme that kept cropping up throughout conversations I've had with lads post-tour is of the somewhat homosexual tendencies of the ANA/ANP/Afghans in general, and the fact they s*** anywhere they like, but apart from that they're alright. So I passed that on.

Long story short, I was quickly shot dead as the messenger and branded some kind of baby-killing trained Muslim-hunter. They were also quick to claim that such post-tour stories are propaganda which returning soldiers are told to say, or say because of PTSD, to make us hate Afghans. They then went on to talk amongst themselves about the brainwashing that us mere peons are subjected to in training. I didn't know whether to laugh or start windmilling, so instead chose to explain how the army really is not like any of them think, and that we're not taught to hate anything in training except the phrase 'f***ing standby, gents!' and that we don't all want to go slotting Muslims for bants.

I had absolutely no idea that students had such a completely naive view of the world. These lot genuinely think that every family in the world is just like your average western family but with a different religion, and that us capitalist pigs go and slaughter everyone in the name of oil.

Which leads me to the point of the topic, so I can better educate myself - what experiences do you guys have of the Afghans? What are they actually like?

Any on-topic responses would be greatly appreciated. Pull up a stool and educate a young sprog on the ways of the world!
 
#3
No, we were in a pub! But they are all hopeless Labour supporters, it turns out. Apparently being in the army has made me 'more right wing'.
 
#4
I was at a friend's birthday the other night. Pretty much everyone there were either recently graduated students or students after placement years, and being an opinionated bunch out to spread the idea of tolerant liberalness across the land the talk turned to ISIS and Afghanistan.

Most were aware I'm currently serving, so were keen to get my opinion, though I was quick to point out I've not been there so can only go off of things I've been told by pals, or seen through work. One recurring theme that kept cropping up throughout conversations I've had with lads post-tour is of the somewhat homosexual tendencies of the ANA/ANP/Afghans in general, and the fact they s*** anywhere they like, but apart from that they're alright. So I passed that on.

Long story short, I was quickly shot dead as the messenger and branded some kind of baby-killing trained Muslim-hunter. They were also quick to claim that such post-tour stories are propaganda which returning soldiers are told to say, or say because of PTSD, to make us hate Afghans. They then went on to talk amongst themselves about the brainwashing that us mere peons are subjected to in training. I didn't know whether to laugh or start windmilling, so instead chose to explain how the army really is not like any of them think, and that we're not taught to hate anything in training except the phrase 'f***ing standby, gents!' and that we don't all want to go slotting Muslims for bants.

I had absolutely no idea that students had such a completely naive view of the world. These lot genuinely think that every family in the world is just like your average western family but with a different religion, and that us capitalist pigs go and slaughter everyone in the name of oil.

Which leads me to the point of the topic, so I can better educate myself - what experiences do you guys have of the Afghans? What are they actually like?

Any on-topic responses would be greatly appreciated. Pull up a stool and educate a young sprog on the ways of the world!
Pretty much how you described, many of the locals I came across were farmers who, despite dubious personal hygiene, simply wanted get on with their lives.

The ANA do like a bit of man love Thursday, and from speaking to mates who were OMLT in 2007 it wasn't uncommon to see them walking around wearing make up, and seeing the young terps walking like John Wayne on Friday mornings.
 
#5
Having lived in them general parts of the world for 16 years and speaking some of the lingo, here are a few observations:

1. Middle Eastern men (and I consider Afghanistan part of the Middle East no matter what the official classification) tend to me much more physically affectionate towards each other than Western men. Two men holding hands in public does not have the same connotation as it does in the West. On the other hand a man and a women holding hands in public, even if they are married, is a no no.
2. However, homosexual experimentation is much more common not because they are homosexual but because sexual relationships with the opposite sex is very restricted in very strict Moslem countries. In countries where the Islamic culture is a bit more relaxed, there are hidden swingers. The women are more into back passage intercourse because they need to preserve their virginity for marriage or you have doctors who specialise in sewing them up, at a fee, before they get married to preserve the illusion.
3. Attitude towards toilets and what constitutes one is very different from the West.
 
#6
I saw one wipe his cock on the ground whilst I was on stag, if that helps? But there again, met a lot of ANA around Kabul who were more than civilised, friendly & forward-looking. They considered the Helmandi tribes the same way that we think of hillbillies. Or people from Norfolk.
 
#7
I saw one wipe his cock on the ground whilst I was on stag, if that helps? But there again, met a lot of ANA around Kabul who were more than civilised, friendly & forward-looking. They considered the Helmandi tribes the same way that we think of hillbillies. Or people from Norfolk.
I believe the ANA that serve in Helmand aren't locals, I know in 2007 they were all the from the Kabul area so they weren't vulnerable to black mail/ threats like the ANP.
 
#10
I had absolutely no idea that students had such a completely naive view of the world.
Other than possibly some travel to Australia one summer what will they have seen of the world? What trials and tribulations will they have suffered, overcome and learnt from?

When I was 20 and a student I was a ******* fanny secure in the knowledge that I knew everything. Most 18-20 year olds are fannies because they know everything and have experienced nothing, don't worry though, many will grow out of it.

And is it that surprising that a bloke with no indoor plumbing takes a shit in a field, an irrigation ditch or round the back of his house (it dries out so fast it's not that bad)?


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#11
I believe the ANA that serve in Helmand aren't locals, I know in 2007 they were all the from the Kabul area so they weren't vulnerable to black mail/ threats like the ANP.
So you have the fun of a terp who can speak to the people or the ANA, but not both.


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#12
Out of interest one day I asked the terp we had (he was from Kabul) what his thoughts were on the people of Helmand. The reply quickly came "they are all animals. I think you should drop the bomb on them"
Good lad, he was
 
#14
Just point out you probably know exactly the same as them....F+ck all

Change the topic of conversation, get drunk and try to f+ck the good looking ones
 
#15
in my experience students and the like that accuse us of being brainwashed all seem to have been brainwashed into the idea we have been.

they dont like that having that poitned out to them
 
#16
Just point out you probably know exactly the same as them....F+ck all

Change the topic of conversation, get drunk and try to f+ck the good looking ones
Thankfully thats how it ended up, but when you get them started on a verbal crusade for world justice there's no stopping that landslide unless you whip out a bag of MDMA.
 
#17
Thankfully thats how it ended up, but when you get them started on a verbal crusade for world justice there's no stopping that landslide unless you whip out a bag of MDMA.
better to invite them back to yours for free booze and tunes, spike them with micro dots get your gillie suit on and show them your collection of "survival knives"
 
#18
When Pashtun men get outraged at the crimes of others they hope the accused DON'T get bummed in prison.
 
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