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Afgan etc earthquake

#1
Calling for help internationally.
What's wrong with all those guys in the religious schools getting stuck in? Give them a taste of homes and lives destroyed before they go off suicide bombing.
 
#3
As far as Pakistan and India are concerned they should be able to sort their own mess out.

Any countries that can afford to finance a nuclear weapond programme needs no financial aid from me or from those who take my money in tax.

Every Pound sent to these counties is another they can spend on nukes.
 
#5
DigitalGeek said:
Hmm........nice attitude lads
It's my attitude and has been for many years. Why should I give any financial aid to a country that can afford to develope nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them?

As a aside to this attitude, these are the same people who despise the Western way of life and everything it stands for, yet who do they turn to when they need help? Maybe we should just say "It's the will of Allah" and let then get on with it or suggest that this was Allahs way of showing his disapproval of the way they are interpreting the Koran.
 
#7
If you wish to refer to real bias then I suggest you look at the Moslem religion and its attitude to those who are not of its faith. Or to the bias against those who would leave the Moslem faith whose sentence is death.

The bias also extends to women who are treated as no more than possesions, with so called honour killings and tribal courts who can sentence women to be gang raped for the "Crimes" of a relative.

Maybe there is some bias for the Moslem hill people in Afghanistan who worship Allah but see nothing wrong in selling the poppy for opium to non believers?

If the leaders of the countries which have had the earthquakes care so little for life or for the masses who live in poverty in their lands, why should I? If they cared then the money they have been spending on their weapons of mass destruction could have been channeled towards their own people.

These people would kill Westerners in the name of their God and their religion yet are prepared to take our money which was earnt in a society that they despise and would destroy.

It's not that I am biased, it's just that I do not wish to support them when their own governments don't.
 
#11
RSupwood said:
DigitalGeek said:
Hmm........nice attitude lads
It's my attitude and has been for many years. Why should I give any financial aid to a country that can afford to develope nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them?

As a aside to this attitude, these are the same people who despise the Western way of life and everything it stands for, yet who do they turn to when they need help? Maybe we should just say "It's the will of Allah" and let then get on with it or suggest that this was Allahs way of showing his disapproval of the way they are interpreting the Koran.
Avian flu in Turkey. Herds killed to stop spread. Turkey is mainly Muslim country. Not too far from Afghanistan and others hit by earthquake. Idea - air drop the culled birds over 'stan as famine relief?
 

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#12
OldRedCap said:
RSupwood said:
DigitalGeek said:
Hmm........nice attitude lads
It's my attitude and has been for many years. Why should I give any financial aid to a country that can afford to develope nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them?

As a aside to this attitude, these are the same people who despise the Western way of life and everything it stands for, yet who do they turn to when they need help? Maybe we should just say "It's the will of Allah" and let then get on with it or suggest that this was Allahs way of showing his disapproval of the way they are interpreting the Koran.
Avian flu in Turkey. Herds killed to stop spread. Turkey is mainly Muslim country. Not too far from Afghanistan and others hit by earthquake. Idea - air drop the culled birds over 'stan as famine relief?
Excellent, perhaps a few bacon sarnies to help those starving!
I nearly wet myself!
Perhaps this should be moved to the NAAFI!
 
#13
Lets look at this then!

"If you wish to refer to real bias then I suggest you look at the Moslem religion and its attitude to those who are not of its faith. Or to the bias against those who would leave the Moslem faith whose sentence is death".

As far as I can gather, Christians are not as pure as the driven snow when it comes to persecution of other religions. During the first crusade, it appears that having lived in relative harmony with the Jews for a while, an army of Crusaders under Peter the Hermit took it upon themselves to massacre the said Jews in the name of God, in the town of Worms. Then there was the Catholic Indexing of several thousand manuscripts, which denied the freedom of religious expression for several centuries. The Spanish Inquisition captured and tortured thousands in the name of God. Onward Christian Soldiers etc....

The bias also extends to women who are treated as no more than possesions, with so called honour killings and tribal courts who can sentence women to be gang raped for the "Crimes" of a relative.

Fair point, can't argue with that.

Maybe there is some bias for the Moslem hill people in Afghanistan who worship Allah but see nothing wrong in selling the poppy for opium to non believers?

The demand for opium is a product of Western decadence. Full Stop. It's hip to be high, and the opium crop pays more than growing maize. Not all opium production goes into the veins of the rich and famous, some is diverted legitimately into pharmacuticals. The next time you scream for pain relief, shout in Farsi. You may get a freebie.

If the leaders of the countries which have had the earthquakes care so little for life or for the masses who live in poverty in their lands, why should I? If they cared then the money they have been spending on their weapons of mass destruction could have been channeled towards their own people.

Thus the West spends nothing on the Nuclear deterrent? The west started the idea of the arms race. India and Pakistan are engaged in a tit for tat escalation in the nuclear race. The west did the same during the cold war.

These people would kill Westerners in the name of their God and their religion yet are prepared to take our money which was earnt in a society that they despise and would destroy.

And the west does not rape these countries of natural resource and would not go to war in order to gain more?

It's not that I am biased, it's just that I do not wish to support them when their own governments don't".

Think
 
#14
DigitalGeek said:
Lets look at this then!

"If you wish to refer to real bias then I suggest you look at the Moslem religion and its attitude to those who are not of its faith. Or to the bias against those who would leave the Moslem faith whose sentence is death".

As far as I can gather, Christians are not as pure as the driven snow when it comes to persecution of other religions. During the first crusade, it appears that having lived in relative harmony with the Jews for a while, an army of Crusaders under Peter the Hermit took it upon themselves to massacre the said Jews in the name of God, in the town of Worms. Then there was the Catholic Indexing of several thousand manuscripts, which denied the freedom of religious expression for several centuries. The Spanish Inquisition captured and tortured thousands in the name of God. Onward Christian Soldiers etc....
And there's silly old me thinking all that happened at least half a millenium ago. Can I invite you into the 21st century?
 
#15
Why?, Muslims dont live in it? The 21st century is a purely Christian concept, being that the calendar you and I work on was devised by a Christian monk. You think I am harping on about the past? Islam has an even longer memory and they unfortunately tend to hold grudges longer than we do.
 
#16
DigitalGeek said:
Why?, Muslims dont live in it? The 21st century is a purely Christian concept, being that the calendar you and I work on was devised by a Christian monk. You think I am harping on about the past? Islam has an even longer memory and they unfortunately tend to hold grudges longer than we do.
Yes Muslims do live in a medieval time slot. Their leaders go to great lengths to keep them there so that they can continue to exercise control over them and keep their power base. The situation is similar to that in medieval times in Europe when the Church took its money in tithes and ruled by religious fear.

We, as a society that has a thin veneer of civilisation gave up crusades against the Muslim world a while back, unfortunately they seem bent on continuing their version of it. That being the case why should I encourage them financially?

If I need pain relief, which I all too frequently do, then mine comes from a legitimate source not from a street drug supplier. As a society we may be decadent and indulge in illegal activities but to my mind set this is not an excuse for the citizens of another country to illegally supply drugs to our criminals.

I find it strange that the countries that source the majority of the religious fanatics have not been subjected to "the rape of their resources" by the Western nations.

Pakistan is basically in the middle ages once you leave the major cities and has little to offer in resources. It is ruled by a military regime who allow the religious fanatics their freedom in exchange for keeping military power. Yes there is the odd crack down to appease the US but nothing too drastic to upset the balance of power. Who is raping who here?

Saudi Arabia supplies oil to the West and the money reaped goes into the coffers of its ruling caste who deny its populance the vote and indulge in repression of religious minorities, hardly the fault of the peoples of the West that once again Arab rides on the back of Arab.

I keep reading about the US being in Iraq for the oil. The figures for oil imports into the US give lie to this as the US previously has got its oil from Canada, Saudi, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria in that order of quantity of supply with Iraq sixth with only 2.9% of its output going to the US. These figures do seem to belie this. (And no I would not even try to figure out the real reason we went into the place in support of the US). Whatever the reason, it does not appear that the US or UK is raping Iraq for its resources.

The West indulging in an arms race cannot be comparable to Pakistan doing the same thing v India. Both countries have a large proportion of their populations living in abject poverty. The 2004 purchasing power per person for the US was $40,100. For India it was $3,100 and Pakistan $2,200. These two countries are hardly in a position financially to engage in an arms race if they are to provide for their people

Apart from the current war in Iraq where the slaughter is mainly being carried by Muslim against Muslim I am not aware of the West being engaged in warfare against any other Muslims, yet citizens from Saudi, Pakistan, Somalia and the UK are engaged in acts of killing Westerners by bombing, SA missiles and any other means they can use.

I say my point again. Why should I send any money to support these countries?
 
#17
You already do give to these countries if you pay tax. Or did the Government have a whip round?

When has abject poverty been an obstacle to proliferation - USSR for example?
 
#20
As far as I can see the USSR never did ask for our help, however, this has nothing to do with the original thread. The fact remains that 30,000+ people have been killed in appalling circumstances. Whether you decide to assist, or not, is your choice and fair play. I decided to assist. I don't bear grudges or judge people by their ability to repay me.

No, I wont lend you a fiver!
 

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