AfD Chairman severely beaten by hooded attackers.

Almost as Ironic as our elected government doing their level best to ignore the result of a democratic public referendum.;)
If only they'd triggered Article 50, eh?

You're not doing very well lately, are you?

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HMG don't want to hold a Second Referendum.

Like I said, you're not doing very well lately, are you?
Said the man clinging desperately to semantics. While HMG might not want a second Referendum, a significant number of MP's, across both major Parties, are determined to force it. As for the Leader of HM's Opposition, he's determined to force another General Election at the expense of Brexit.

All MP's, irrespective of Party, are elected(and paid)by the public. The same public who voted to Leave. It doesn't matter what the MP's themselves think of it. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The result is what matters, and every single MP should have set aside their own feelings to make sure it was delivered. Instead, we have a political civil war being fought with such pettiness and bile it makes Trump look dignified.

The reason this silly tart you're White Knighting is getting dog's abuse is because she, and the vast majority of her colleagues, deserve it. Indeed, they deserve a lot worse.
 
The crux of it is that The House of Commons, is ignoring the will of the Commoners and is trying to overturn a democratic vote by hook and by crook

It's almost like you could just repeat the words of Cromwell now

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!
Finally some honest words.
Well quoted.
 
Said the man clinging desperately to semantics. While HMG might not want a second Referendum, a significant number of MP's, across both major Parties, are determined to force it. As for the Leader of HM's Opposition, he's determined to force another General Election at the expense of Brexit.

All MP's, irrespective of Party, are elected(and paid)by the public. The same public who voted to Leave. It doesn't matter what the MP's themselves think of it. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The result is what matters, and every single MP should have set aside their own feelings to make sure it was delivered. Instead, we have a political civil war being fought with such pettiness and bile it makes Trump look dignified.

The reason this silly tart you're White Knighting is getting dog's abuse is because she, and the vast majority of her colleagues, deserve it. Indeed, they deserve a lot worse.
Semantics?

You said HMG wanted to hold a second referendum.
Your comment is utter hoopery. HMG are not pressing for a second amendment.

Has anyone mentioned you're not doing very well lately?

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Semantics?

You said HMG wanted to hold a second referendum.
Your comment is utter hoopery. HMG are not pressing for a second amendment.

Has anyone mentioned you're not doing very well lately?

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Yes, semantics. HMG is Conservative. And senior Tories have already stated they want a Second Referendum. Indeed, Tories voted with Labour and against their own Party twice this week already. Their Party was elected to form HM Government, with a mandate to carry out Brexit. Instead, they are actively working against it. They are working to undermine the democratic will of the British people, then whinging when they get called nasty names.

Do you understand all that, or should I use smaller words?

Has anyone mentioned you're White Knighting a silly cow who's watched too much House of Cards? :)

"When I'm waiting on the Tube, I stand well back from the edge because I'm scared someone might push me in front of the train!"

The whinging bitch's face has been plastered all over the news since she had her meltdown over, "bullying", and I guarantee the vast majority of people wouldn't recognise her if we tripped over her.:rolleyes:
 
Yes, semantics. HMG is Conservative. And senior Tories have already stated they want a Second Referendum. Indeed, Tories voted with Labour and against their own Party twice this week already. Their Party was elected to form HM Government, with a mandate to carry out Brexit. Instead, they are actively working against it. They are working to undermine the democratic will of the British people, then whinging when they get called nasty names.

Do you understand all that, or should I use smaller words?

Has anyone mentioned you're White Knighting a silly cow who's watched too much House of Cards? :)

"When I'm waiting on the Tube, I stand well back from the edge because I'm scared someone might push me in front of the train!"

The whinging bitch's face has been plastered all over the news since she had her meltdown over, "bullying", and I guarantee the vast majority of people wouldn't recognise her if we tripped over her.:rolleyes:
"Some Tories want to" does not mean "The Government wants to ".
It really doesn't.

And interesting to see you condoning bullying.

You're really not doing very well, are you?
 
The reason this silly tart you're White Knighting is getting dog's abuse is because she, and the vast majority of her colleagues, deserve it. Indeed, they deserve a lot worse.
I'm with @Werewolf on this one.

MPs of all parties have treated the public with contempt for years, assuming a patronising "We know best" attitude. Too many politicians appear to have never had real jobs and live in a little Westminster bubble, shielded from the public.

Now they have to gall to complain when we don't "respect" them...

They seem to have forgotten that respect has to be earned - many of them have done little to deserve it.
 
I'm with @Werewolf on this one.

MPs of all parties have treated the public with contempt for years, assuming a patronising "We know best" attitude. Too many politicians appear to have never had real jobs and live in a little Westminster bubble, shielded from the public.

Now they have to gall to complain when we don't "respect" them...

They seem to have forgotten that respect has to be earned - many of them have done little to deserve it.

Ditto, across many threads in the past few years, the political classes have moved towards shutting down debate when it does not go the way they wish.


Also paradoxically 'the centre' has moved increasingly to the left... Including the conservative party...


Subsequently unless you are a leftist then you are a 'Nazi', Godwin's law is no longer a memetic tool, but a political device.

Godwin wrote, "its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.
Godwin's law - Wikipedia
 

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I'm with @Werewolf on this one.

MPs of all parties have treated the public with contempt for years, assuming a patronising "We know best" attitude. Too many politicians appear to have never had real jobs and live in a little Westminster bubble, shielded from the public.

.
Just to put some numbers around your comments ( and it is certainly true that the number of MPs who have a lack of "real world" experience has grown over time), actually the number who are purely from a "Westminster Bubble" background is around 17% . Or to put another way 83% are not from that background.

Social background of MPs 1979-2017



Reference the "We know best" comment. . .actually this is kind of the way our Parliamentary democracy is supposed to work . . ..we vote for those who we think are going to make the right decisions to Govern the country.


My post to just highlight the numbers, and to remind that it is a Parliamentary Democracy. Not to disagree with the sentiment behind your post for that I have some sympathy as 17% is still far too high a figure. That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
 
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Just to put some numbers around your comments ( and it is certainly true that the number of MPs who have a lack of "real world" experince has grown over time), actually the number who are purely from a "Westminster Bubble" background is around 17% . OPr to put another way 83% are not from that background.

Social background of MPs 1979-2017



Reference the "We know best" comment. . .actually this is kind of the way our Parliamentary democracy is supposed to work . . ..we vote for those who we think are going to make the right decisions to Govern the country.


My post to just highlight the numbers, and to remind that it is a Parliamentary Democracy. Not to disagree with the sentiment behind your post for that I have some sympathy as 17% is still far too high a figure. That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
There you go - ruining a good argument with facts... :wink:
 
My post to just highlight the numbers, and to remind that it is a Parliamentary Democracy. Not to disagree with the sentiment behind your post for that I have some sympathy as 17% is still far too high a figure. That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
Although It does appear that the life time politicians are over represented at the upper echelons
 

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That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
Although It does appear that the life time politicians are over represented at the upper echelons
I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my earlier statement . . . ..
 
I'm with @Werewolf on this one.

MPs of all parties have treated the public with contempt for years, assuming a patronising "We know best" attitude. Too many politicians appear to have never had real jobs and live in a little Westminster bubble, shielded from the public.

Now they have to gall to complain when we don't "respect" them...

They seem to have forgotten that respect has to be earned - many of them have done little to deserve it.
For some reason the like etc. buttons have disappeared from my computer.
So have a like.
 
Just to put some numbers around your comments ( and it is certainly true that the number of MPs who have a lack of "real world" experience has grown over time), actually the number who are purely from a "Westminster Bubble" background is around 17% . Or to put another way 83% are not from that background.

Social background of MPs 1979-2017



Reference the "We know best" comment. . .actually this is kind of the way our Parliamentary democracy is supposed to work . . ..we vote for those who we think are going to make the right decisions to Govern the country.


My post to just highlight the numbers, and to remind that it is a Parliamentary Democracy. Not to disagree with the sentiment behind your post for that I have some sympathy as 17% is still far too high a figure. That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
Mostly we are allowed to vote for who ever the paries put up, not for who we want.
The referendum has shown how bad this system is and how much it needs reforming.
 
My post to just highlight the numbers, and to remind that it is a Parliamentary Democracy. Not to disagree with the sentiment behind your post for that I have some sympathy as 17% is still far too high a figure. That said somebody somewhere elected them, so the electorate who did so have to shoulder some of the blame.
Indeed your correct that electorate do have to shoulder some of the blame, this is something that I and many others on 'ARRSE' have been banging on about for ages, that said the political system and the professional political class, have encouraged such a disconnect. That this is changing and there is a growth of dissenting voices, who are not in some cases eloquent and nuanced in such dissent is then to be expected.

If you then turn round and label that cohort as 'Bigots, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, right wing nazis etc etc, while at the same time ignoring the same from the left. It wont end well. Social media has boosted the noise to signal ratio of activism that has combined with a generational adoption of virtue and feelings over fact.

The reality is that by allowing the adoption of 'Hate Speech' a nebulous and ill-defined thing into law, and encouraged it use across society has encouraged its adoption as a political tool to 'unperson' dissent... Road to hell and all that.

On 12 June 2018, police shut down a by-election hustings in Catford, leading to one arrest, after it was disrupted by anti-racism protesters led by Stand Up to Racism and Lewisham Anti-Racist Action Group.[53][54][55] The protesters intended to target Anne Marie Waters, who did not attend the event on police advice. Daby and Archer were also absent from the hustings, citing other engagements; Daby had previously refused to share a platform with Waters.[54][55] The protest was criticised by Salek and Reid.[53] Prior to the event, Foxcroft and Damien Egan, the Mayor of Lewisham, had called for Waters to be No Platformed at the hustings.[55]
Where was the criticism of shutting down a legitimate political party, For Britain unable too attend the 'Hustings' and which you can 'Like or dislike' but have every right to speak. The media rather ignored that, or make light of such occurrences.

Personally i want those who are truly extreme in there views to be able to speak, for all the violent mobbing by 'Hope not Hate' and their like that have surrounded Nick Griffin and the BNP. Was it a mob that sunk him and showed that the BNP had inconsequential support across the UK, or his appearance on question time.

The fact is like it or not that the AfD is a legitimate political party, which again you can personally like it or not is growing its support and it is not because everyone's a 'Nazi', its because the political establishment has disconnected from the the wider voting public and the issues that concern them.

Too those who lean left, historically it would seem that the media and education systems have encouraged the misguided view that you are fair and virtuous, while those of the right are tramp kicking fat-cats who hate the poor, ironically both Stalin and Goebbels would be proud of perhaps perpetuating the greatest lie that socialism is not fascistic in nature, perhaps in part by the success of...

The long march through the institutions
The long march through the institutions - Wikipedia
 

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