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Afcs appeal

StressVet

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Hi wonderring if anyone here can help,Been dealing with vet's UK for 7yrs now for ptsd,had tribunal in Dec last year which was adjourned and the judge directed vets UK to provide me with a consultant to eveluate my condition.Vets UK kept sending msgs due to covid we are on able to organise a face to face appointment uptil last week i rang them and got really uneasy with them on the phone until they now finally wrote to the tribunal saying they can't organise a face to face or remote consultation.The judge also wrote back given them aweek to respond and explain why.They came back today answering due to covid the instuition providing them with the experts are not opperating and cant provide a date to when they can.My question is will the judge now make decision base on evidence currently available or wait for Vets UK who already confirmed they cant provide a date to when i can see a consultant.This at the moment is making me so nervous and frusterated.
 
Hi,

Sorry to hear about all this stress you're being put under, particularly with the challenges that you've had. I'm much more familiar with WPS tribunals than AFCS ones but the tribunal procedures are similar.

I recommend:

1. Don't allow a tribunal hearing to be arranged until you are happy that all the necessary evidence is in place.

2. Email the tribunal team and state that VeteransUK have not undertaken the direction given re arranging a consultant examination/report. Their email address is armedforces.chamber at justice.gov.uk.

3. Ask the tribunal to ask Veterans UK when they/their experts will be able to arrange such a report and if that period is anything more than 3 months, will the tribunal be willing to apply Paragraph 24, "Medical examinations and commissioning of medical evidence etc." of The Tribunal Procedure (First-tier Tribunal) (War Pensions and Armed Forces Compensation Chamber) Rules 2008. Sub-paragraph 3 is the important one for you, which I've copied in below (although, the tribunal may say that until you have you first hearing then they haven't formally opened your case and therefore can't apply this clause, but it's worth asking anyway):

(3) If a medical or other technical question arises in a case the Tribunal may—

(a)request a medical or other technical specialist to provide a report in relation to the question; and

(b)if the question is a medical one, arrange for the appellant to be examined for the purposes of the preparation of such a report.


Feel free to pm me if you'd like to discuss anything in detail. I log in roughly once a week so won't always see messages straight away.

M
 
Thank you M,The judge did that and ask them when they could provide the report and vets UK replied saying they cant give them a date as the independent organisation that does there consultation are not holding any consultation at the moment face to face neither remotely so in this case they can't give a date to when a psychiatrist report can be arrange.
The judge have now ask for a CMC between vets UK and my RBL to discuss ways forward.What should i do as this is really putting so much stress on my now honestly and tired of the mess about from vets UK.
 
Thank you M,The judge did that and ask them when they could provide the report and vets UK replied saying they cant give them a date as the independent organisation that does there consultation are not holding any consultation at the moment face to face neither remotely so in this case they can't give a date to when a psychiatrist report can be arrange.
The judge have now ask for a CMC between vets UK and my RBL to discuss ways forward.What should i do as this is really putting so much stress on my now honestly and tired of the mess about from vets UK.
I'm pleased to hear that you've got the RBL assisting and it is good that the tribunal has asked for a case management conference; that's a sensible first step.

The main tip I give people with a tribunal coming up is to make sure your evidence is consistent. If your evidence is consistent and your/your representative's arguments are sound (and realistic), then the tribunal are more likely to be supportive of your claim.
 
I hope your still fighting, I had an issue with a made up report that was illegible and therefore couldn’t respond to. I repeatedly asked for it to be typed up, the spva refused so I put the email requests in my response bundle. The judge then told the spva to provide the report typed up,, they did as told.

As previously stated evidence and the link between evidence is essential, I make sure that all my contact with these faceless idiots is in the form of email or letter and can then show the tribunal the link of the evidence.
 
Proper badly how they treat us veterans,I had a case management hearing and the judge now invalidated the psychiatrist report they were ask to organise and they didnt with a very stupid aswer that due to the covid19 the are unable to serve the report.No the judge have booked me for a hearing in 2 weeks from now to give oral eveidence.Have you been to tribunal before and what are my chances of winning.I have been suffering with depression since 2009 and acepted caused by service.and had all the available therapies available.CBT,emdr and combat stress in patient and out.Also been doing yoga and other means to get better but non seems to work and my condition is still very depress and noxious.Vets UK on my final decision rejected me because i told my gp i was happy with my job because the pay was good and at the time i needed the job cuz i was homeless and divorced and needed money for a new place,but was still dreading and strugglling ifnt to get up and go to work .And that reason they give to stop me for a higher award hurt me so badly as i never want to not work but my symptoms are just letting me.
 
Proper badly how they treat us veterans,I had a case management hearing and the judge now invalidated the psychiatrist report they were ask to organise and they didnt with a very stupid aswer that due to the covid19 the are unable to serve the report.No the judge have booked me for a hearing in 2 weeks from now to give oral eveidence.Have you been to tribunal before and what are my chances of winning.I have been suffering with depression since 2009 and acepted caused by service.and had all the available therapies available.CBT,emdr and combat stress in patient and out.Also been doing yoga and other means to get better but non seems to work and my condition is still very depress and noxious.Vets UK on my final decision rejected me because i told my gp i was happy with my job because the pay was good and at the time i needed the job cuz i was homeless and divorced and needed money for a new place,but was still dreading and strugglling ifnt to get up and go to work .And that reason they give to stop me for a higher award hurt me so badly as i never want to not work but my symptoms are just letting me.
My heart goes out to you as I suffer much like yourself, I am labelled as CPTSD due to repeated exposures to trauma. Like you I have done emdr,cbt,hug a tree. The only thing I haven’t done is combat stress as I couldn’t function in a group.

vets uk will use any excuse not to cough up don’t worry about them and concentrate on your evidence, the fact that you mentioned you were happy earning for your family is down to your military background.

If the doctor said you were happy I would get a copy of that report and then get an appointment with him and question him on the contex of that statement, clarifying what you meant by it. Then get him to write another report clarifying his points.

I have fought vets uk through many tribunals and had one recently which I again won,it’s all about your evidence. Don’t forget to submit your own statement of your mind set and issues you have on a daily basis. Get a statement from a family member of what you are like day to day.

I read up the vets uk medical handbook and rules and guidance, you will be surprised what they are meant to do and don’t. Hope this helps.
 
I have had so many reports after that one doctors report and trust me i am confident that was only use to there advantage but it was nonsense and totally wrong.As i have had treatment after that statement and also continued to suffer and still suffering.The tribunal will look into the details as the judge now gave direction for the doctor in the panel to be a psychiatrist who will definately understand my condition and will help the judge make a good decision.Also my hearing is book for 2hrs to allow me to give them a great version of what is going on and what i truely beleive is affecting me.Vets UK are just too wicked and careless about us veterans.
 
I will do pal and thanks alot.What was you tribunal result for your cptsd or is yet to be heard?
Yes I won that for constant attendance allowance, just waiting for vets uk to sort their shit out. It’s only been about 7 weeks since tribunal and nearly seven years for tribunal to be heard.
 
Pal been on this shit since 2012 and been suffering since 2009.Am happy for you that you finally won and you honestly deserve it pal.Hopefully they will sort you out soon and get on the phone to them if not they wont ifnt move from there tables to get things going.
 
Unfortunately gents I think you are suffering because of the bluffing cünts in the system who think that AFCS is a free ride. They can’t bluff physical injuries so PTSD is the go to injury. It means genuine sufferers have to jump though hoops and over hurdles to reach their end point.
 
Totally agree with dingerr there seem to be a lot like this making it difficult for others. I honestly believe that the truth eventually comes out at some point in time.

I just wish that vets uk would stop treating us all like scavenging morons.
 
Unfortunately gents I think you are suffering because of the bluffing cünts in the system who think that AFCS is a free ride. They can’t bluff physical injuries so PTSD is the go to injury. It means genuine sufferers have to jump though hoops and over hurdles to reach their end point.
I’m ok with waiting for them to eventually get their sums backdated.
 
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