Discussion in 'Aviation' started by benj1981, Jul 19, 2005.

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  1. Hi,

    I am 23 and 2 years ago I took and failed RCB because I was deemed not suitable Officer training. I am considering reapply for Officer, as I believe I have improved since my RCB failure, but people have suggested going in as a soldier.

    This does interest me and I am considering the AAC and hopefully train as a pilot.

    Could someone explain the route that I would need to take to achieve this and the general career path I could follow.


  2. Wanna be a Pilot eh?

    Well join the Infantry, Sigs, Engineers etc!

    Far more of 'ex other regiments' go on pilots course. Not a moan this before the biting back starts.

    Just a fact.

    The lads on the ground do a great job, its the powers that be on some occasions dont like letting them go!

    Many a cable Atpr doesnt go this route. Shame, as the guys that are true blue deserve the first crack!

    On my Observers course, out of 9 guys, only 3 were Air Corps.

    Just food for thought mate!

  3. have a lobotomy, then reapply. ;)
  4. Got to reluctantly agree with Sweet Feet on this, I would join anything except the AAC if i wanted to fly in the future.
    I sincerely wish that it wasn't the case but you've got a better chance of getting promotion and a stab at the Pilots course with another unit that promotes quickly, RMP for example.
    Annoying but true.
  5. Thanks for the information.

    This does surprise me a bit.

    What do most of the soliders end up as after x years service then?

    Is it hard to get recommanded for the Pilots course in another regiment - will they not prefer you stayed with your initial regiment.

  6. Bitter :D

    Speak to Muttley and Flasheart about the transgression from Air Trooper to Aircrew.

    My words of advice, although now dated are similar to Sweetfeet, however, there are 'True blue' lads out there who joined as Toms and followed thier dreams to the dizzy heights of pilot and Aircraft Commander.

    Looking back I suppose it was easy to become sidetracked and negged out.......

    I do recall a total lack of support and interest from Squadron heirarchy, the dream that one day you may fly could be an awesome recruiting tool, and one that could be developed if Sqn Commanders and Flight Commanders took a moment to find out whether the lads in thier units do have a wish to become aircrew.

    I served nine years and granted many of those were spent swanning and away doing sports, but Flash will tell you I was passionate about flying and the thought that one day I would be a pilot. My choice was to mature more, as at my four year point when I should have pushed for grading I felt I was having a good time having just come back from BAOR and was on the Army shooting and Bobsleigh team.

    I made the choice to wait...... this proved fatal to a flying career, as I grew up it no longer flicked my switch, the desire to be 'one of them upstairs' had dwindled and a career outside the fence beckoned. The bitching and back stabbign became mundane and all the fun and drive elements vanished.

    Benji, this isn't meant to be a negative post, there were lads in my intake at Juniors who now drive Lynx and Apache, the queers ones amongst them drive gazelles, but they are still flying.

    If I could change anything about my time in the Army Air Corps it would be for the entire Corps to stop pulling against one an other and make it the most cushy, rewarding and best career within the forces. OCs get behind your fellas, find out which direction they want to go and help them on thier way...
  7. I hear what you are all saying about being other-arms first. I, too, am a re-tread and could down the road of bringing further experience to the Corps, but I won't!!

    The ethos is changing somewhat - in 661 Sqn at least, if not the Corps as a whole. Our current OC is a cracking bloke who actively encourages lads to progress from Gnd crew to aircrew, often via the "Avn Rear Crewman" route (but not necessarily). In the last year, I think we've had at least 6 or 7 lads stick their papers in and give it a whirl.

    Having said that, though, the rules being the way they are, to say that joining the RMP (for example) to get some rank on your arm before going aircrew is not far from the mark. Myself, I joined up and looked for the fastest track to Sgt (back then, aircrew was only open to Sgts and above) and then did my course. Worked for me!!
  8. Thanks for the replies to this!

    Interesting and mature!

    A case is here and a great example!

    I know Issymondias well. One of the brightest and clever chaps to serve in my humble opinion!

    If anyone I knew in the corps with the intelligence to wear wings or a brevet, then this man was indeed he.

    Shame he only ever stunk of avtur and Jim Beam, asset to the corps lost me thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Issymondias, you know me. PM for details, however, you know I shared a room with 'baz' when I was in 651..............

  9. Lets hope this is a trends that catches on.

    Too many OCs in the past have written off blokes as being too dense to fly or lack the necassary, yet welcome blokes from other units whom are complete strangers.

    That said, if you let a mere Sqn Commander stand in your way of achieving your ambition then maybe you check your drive and resistance then consider a career as a BAT
  10. This is very much of an eye opener for me.

    I thought that the AAC would want to push its soldiers towards the pilots course - surely a soldier with an understanding of the AAC is better than one who has served with the RMP.

    What is the general career path of AAC soldier?

    What sort of blokes are the AAC soldiers?

    Sorry for all the questions I'm just surprised at the reality of the situation.
  11. On the flip side. An AAC soldier who is in the job and has experience is harder to retain than a pilot (there will never be a shortfall in people wanting to be a pilot from outside the Corps). Each AAC groundie that goes flying has to be replaced. That is sometimes how the Corps sees it, although it tends to be a view from higher up the food chain.
  12. I can understand the Corps seeing that....

    On the other hand, I'll bet groundie retnention would increase if they believed that there was somone onside pushing them towards a cockpit.

    I recall a time in my squadron where most of the toms had never even been up in a cab never mind a sly hands on.... Thats bordering on criminal.

    When I got to Minden, the SSM (Padre murderer) greeted me then told me to go and grab one of the pilots and pass on his compliments and see if there was a cab available I could get a jolly in.

    Amazing the effect that has on a spotty 17 yr old junior leader on hsi first day in Germany.
  13. I totally agree. I know that the 'shop floor' level is to encourage and push guys that show an interest and and have potential. I remember several years ago carrying out a straw poll on the background of pilots within the Regiment. From what I remember, approx 65-70% were retreads and the remainder were true blue. I think the balance is more towards 50/50 now. This is probably due to the tap being shut off a bit in relation to E3s and the recent trend of loading pilots courses with DE AAC officers.
    I would rather take one of the boys for a whazz and a zoom than do the usual 'PR' jolly for some other unit (unless of course there was something in it for me! :wink:).

    Joins his Regt after trade training (signals, driver trg, bowser, groundcrew). He is usually streamed into either MT or Signals. I know a few years ago, we tended move the troops from one job to another but I believe we are trying to 'specialise' them more now. Depending how sharp the chap is depends on how far he goes. There are also the other jobs around the Regt that the trooper will find himself doing. Such as QMs, Airfield troop etc. Each regt has a different way of doing things due to their role so it can vary.
    With the advent of AH Regts, the AAC groundcrew soldier has at last been put on par with his RAF counterpart. Rather than being 'just' a jack of all trades, he now has a dedicated role helping to operate the aircraft.

    The AAC is changing very quickly at the moment (just read some of the threads here). A few years ago, we were perhaps one of the only growing Corps with a very secure future. We are now feeling the pinch like other Regiments and Corps. With that in mind, the competition will be harder to get a place in the Corps.

    Have a look here. Its the MoD, AAC website with bumpf on AAC soldier.
  14. Its now the case that the boys coming through Wallop at the mo are all Apache aces. those in the AH world are now becoming trade streamlined ie if they are doing MPS (planning) thats the path you will continue instead of being Stores or MT on your next posting. The OAPs Like me will stay Mighty Lynx side!!!!!