Advice on SGC renewal

armsan612w

Clanker
Update, letter received today - proforma will be sent to me by my doctor once the invoice for £120 is paid. Nice work if you can get it as I reckon that works out at £2000/hour. Robbing bastids.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Update, letter received today - proforma will be sent to me by my doctor once the invoice for £120 is paid. Nice work if you can get it as I reckon that works out at £2000/hour. Robbing bastids.
Mine was free
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
My GP didnt reply and 2 weeks later Dibble issued my renewal:)
 

theinventor

War Hero
Hampshire plod have announced that they won't accept any application for grant or renewal unless the applicant has already obtained (at their own expense) a GP letter. This would also appear to mean you get to see what they said about you, and if negative, there is a risk that plod won't know as you'll probably just try with another GP(s) until you get the right answer.
Important changes to making an application (new grant and renewal)
From 1 September, we are changing an important aspect of how we receive applications. Following consultation with our stakeholders and the Wessex Local Medical Committees, Chief Constable Olivia Pinkney has decided that, in order to further improve our service and efficiency, we will need all applicants, whether for a new grant or the renewal of an existing certificate, to provide a factual medical report from their General Practitioner (GP) at the time of application.

A number of police forces have already taken steps to implement this new system, known as GP reports, with the reports providing factual medical information, as completed by the applicant’s GP. The reports will streamline the processing of all applications, whether they are for the grant or renewal of firearm and shotgun certificates or dealer registration or renewal.

The previous system was defined in the 2016 Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing Law (Annex C), and resulted in us having difficulty in obtaining GP reports. Some surgeries took the view of conscientious objection, while others, quite rightly, would not provide the service until a fee had been paid. This left us having to negotiate with the GP on behalf of our customers, which required resource that took us away from our core business.

In September 2019 the British Medical Association (BMA) and Royal College of GPs (RCGPs) reviewed their advice to General Practitioners, clarifying elements that were concerning some surgeries and publishing a flow chart that supported the patient obtaining their own report prior to submitting their application to the police.

In Hampshire, we are now amending our system in order to enable us to make early and better informed decisions that will assist in protecting shooting communities, individuals and the wider public. It is important that all the material that informs the decision to grant or refuse a certificate is available at the beginning of the process. Moving to this system will make the processing of applications more efficient for you as our customers as we will have all the material necessary to process your application right from the start. This will also make the process more structured and clear, both for your GP and us in the Licensing Department.

As the provision of the GP report is not a requirement of their NHS contract, surgeries are permitted to charge a fee for the report, as they do for other non-medical services. The matter of these fees is between the patient and their GP, and is not something over which Hampshire Constabulary has any control or in which we will become involved.

Please note that in order to make this an equitable service for all our customers, we will not accept an application from anyone who does not provide their completed GP report at the time of making the application.

New grant applications (see below for renewals)
If you would like to submit a new grant application please visit our website, or search online for “Hampshire police firearms licensing”. From there, and before you submit your application, you will need to download our form and take it to your GP to complete.

Once you have your obtained your completed GP report, go back to the website and submit your application in accordance with the notes and guidance. As soon as you submit your application, the system will send you an email with a link that will enable you to send us your GP form.

How to apply for a firearm, shotgun or explosives certificate | Hampshire Constabulary

Renewal applications
When you receive your reminder letter about renewing your certificate, please follow the advice in that as to whether or not you need to obtain your own GP report. If we need you to provide the report, we will make that clear in the letter.

Please note, if you submit your renewal application before we have written to you, unless in exceptional circumstances, it is likely to be returned, in order for you to follow the new procedure once you receive the renewal invite letter.

In due course, the same requirements for a GP report will apply to all renewal applications, as well as grants, but there will need to be a transition period – your renewal letter will tell you if you need to provide the GP report.


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Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
Given how much they charge for a renewal, that smacks of laziness.
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
Finally, after 6 weeks, I have got hold of my GP letter however, there seems to be a slight problem. I left the army in May 2015, on discharge my Med Centre gave me my service medical records, (38 years worth), telling me to hand these to my civilian GP when I register, this I did.
In 2017 I re-located from Kent to South Wales. I notified my Kent GP and within days of moving in to my new house in Wales, I registered with my local GP.
Now, when I requested the med form for my SGC and FAC, my GP noted on the form that he had not seen me since my initial registration and that I was on no medication but,also noted that my medical records only go back to 2017. He knows Im a veteran but doesn't have my service med docs. He contacted my old GP in Kent and they said that, they do not have them either? My current GP has requested them from the Health Board but as to date, nothing heard. Ive put my renewal into the Police and am awaiting a response. No idea what they will decide?
 
Old C had a running domestic with his son-in-law, reported him as a violent alcoholic. Ex mob Hants Firearms & Explosives guy arrived with a uniformed officer who could seize weapons and ammo. Twenty minute chat over a brew, everybody left happily, nothing seized. There's paper, then there's talking.
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
A number of years ago, a good friend of mine owned around 5 firearms and a couple of shotguns. He was going through some domestic problems with his then wife. One evening, after a strong exchange of words between the two of them, his wife, out of ear shot of my friend, telephoned the police, informing them that her husband had just threatened her with one of his rifles/shotguns. Within a very short period of time an Armed Response Unit burst into his house, restrained him on the floor demanding the keys to his firearms cabinet. The police then opened the cabinet only to discover a chit/receipt, from his local gun club, stating that they were temporally holding his firearms, shotguns and all list ammunition, the receipt was dated over three months ago. Needless to say his wife was taken in while my friend remained at home with a stiff drink.........now thats what I call 'forethought'.
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
Finally, after 6 weeks, I have got hold of my GP letter however, there seems to be a slight problem. I left the army in May 2015, on discharge my Med Centre gave me my service medical records, (38 years worth), telling me to hand these to my civilian GP when I register, this I did.
In 2017 I re-located from Kent to South Wales. I notified my Kent GP and within days of moving in to my new house in Wales, I registered with my local GP.
Now, when I requested the med form for my SGC and FAC, my GP noted on the form that he had not seen me since my initial registration and that I was on no medication but,also noted that my medical records only go back to 2017. He knows Im a veteran but doesn't have my service med docs. He contacted my old GP in Kent and they said that, they do not have them either? My current GP has requested them from the Health Board but as to date, nothing heard. Ive put my renewal into the Police and am awaiting a response. No idea what they will decide?
So, an up-date on my previous post, (above). The Health Board are not responding to my GP's request for my med docs. The Police are saying they will not be able to re-new my SGC without them. My SGC runs out on the 22nd of Nov 2020, so, in a final attempt to retrieve some medical history, to satisfy the Police, I've made a 'freedom of information' request to APC Glasgow for any medical records they may be holding.......wait out, was the initial response due to....guess what..COVID disruption.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
When faced with a similar problem I asked the GP for a letter even if it was one that said they wouldn’t cooperate and they did just that. My license arrived within days
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
When faced with a similar problem I asked the GP for a letter even if it was one that said they wouldn’t cooperate and they did just that. My license arrived within days
Thank you. As I say I really can't see what else I can do to be more cooperative with South Wales Police. I am a member of BASC and so may give them a shout?
 
Thank you. As I say I really can't see what else I can do to be more cooperative with South Wales Police. I am a member of BASC and so may give them a shout?
BASC is usually my first thought if I'm getting roadbumps off plod. Very helpful.
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
So, this morning I receive a phone call from the FLO South Wales Police. She informs me that they have had a meeting in which they discussed my particular case. They have decided that they will issue me with a new SGC however, as soon as I get/retrieve my medical docs, and pass them to my GP, I must get him to complete their medical form. So its taken me around five months to re-new my SGC.
 

Hexi Bloke

Old-Salt
Got a phone call Saturday afternoon, just as the rugby kicked off, from the local police. Said they were coming to conduct a security audit of my house, firearms cabinet and serial numbers check on Sunday morning at 10.00 hrs.
A 150 year old PCSO turned up, (an hour late may I add), as we chatted and I showed him where everything was, it quickly became apparent that he had little, or no knowledge of firearms! I asked him his background and he told me he was 9 years in the RAF Police, then an RAF reservist and a carpenter and now a PCSO! I then told him I had served 38 years in the Infantry leaving as a WO1 to which he responded with;
"Ah well, you'll know more about this security of firearms stuff than I do".

What a knob jocky and a waste of a lovely sunny Sunday morning!
 

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