Advice on a Lee Enfield No 4, Mk1 1944

Discussion in 'Weapons, Equipment & Rations' started by viceroy, Aug 23, 2011.

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  1. I can buy one of these for about 200 Pounds equivalent and I wonder what people thought about it. The seller says it is in reasonably good shape but I haven't seen it myself, as the seller is too far away. What do the older semesters think about this? As said, it is a 1944 No 4, Mk1. The aim is to shoot with it occasionally and eventually restore it, if I get the time to do it.

    I have got to make up my mind by tomorrow, any input appreciated. Thanks.

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  2. Are these the actual photos? It looks in reasonable shape. I am biased as I was trained on one of these and like it for accuracy, balance and feel.
  3. Yes, actual photos.
  4. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    What do I think? You lucky b'stard! That's what I think.

    Why do you want to restore it. It looks pretty good to em as it is.

    Is it an American one? IIRC the bolt is much easier to remove as it just slides out of a gap on the right side as opposed to Brit made models which little catch which can be tricky to depress. (At least it was tricky to my teenage hands when I was a cadet)
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  5. The furniture all looks pretty good for it's age- I've seen worse! It's got a "flip over" rear sight which is right for the year of manufacture- though I would replace it with a micrometer rear sight cos they look the dogs bollocks. You need to ask for a close up shot of the left side of the receiver which will tell which factory made it and then you want the serial number (which is on the shoulder) and you can cross reference the two to make sure it's correct.

    In an ideal world the serial number on the rifle body will match the bolt and even the stock but that's quite rare now. If they do all match (and get pics) snap it up as you have a bargain.

    You might also ask for a pic looking down the bore to get some idea of what that's like. Remember that a lot of British ammunition was quite corrosive so it may be a bit pitted- but it is an old rifle!!

    Are you buying it in the US? PM me if you want- I had 4 Lee Enfields until recently, just sold 2 and now onlt have a No5 and a No4(T)
  6. I don't know if it is US made, neither does the seller. Does the number give any clues? Here they go:

    "M747C" (I think)

    If you PM me your mail address, I can send you the high res pics.
  7. If it's a No4 Mk1* that shows it was US made if it's just No4 Mk1 then it's UK made. A serial no starting with a 3 indicated a BSA made rifle from their factory at Shirly which ties in with the date as they built them at Shirly between 41 and 45. M47C also is also a factory designator for the BSA shirly factory so i think it's a UK built one.
  8. Viceroy,

    I'm a Lee Enfield collector and specialist dealer.

    The rifle is a 1944 BSA No4 Mk1, but its hard to judge condition from the photographs. No4s generally shoot fine, just so long as the bore is not worn out.

    Here is my checklist for the seller anyway:

    1. Does bolt number match the receiver?
    2. Is bolt number in same font as receiver, or is it a replacement?
    3. Is the bolt-head within the indexing limit (about 5-10o when screwed up)?
    4. What is the headspace like (bolt should not close on a 0.074" gauge)?
    5. Is the barrel 2 or 5 groove?
    6. What is the bore like; is it (a) shiney throughout (b) sill sharp in the rifling?
    7. Are there any cracks or splits in the forend?
    8. Is the front trigger guard screw bushing present?
    9. Is the forend a firm fit on the rifle when the front trigger guard screw is removed?
    10. Is the forend straight or warped?
    11. Does the barrel press down at the front with about 6 lb force, and is it free to move up inside the handguards without any sticking or noises?
    12. Do the UK proof marks match on every part?
  9. He agreed to lower the price and I'll go ahead and buy it, will send you some snaps once I got it, cheers.
  10. Slightly off topic but I wasn't aware that the * after Mk1 indicated a 'US' model. Ive got a 1942 Canadian model and I had always thought the asterisk indicated a very slightly different model, possibly an economy version.

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  11. This says something somewhat different yet again:
    "During the course of the Second World War, the No. 4 rifle was further simplified for mass-production with the creation of the No. 4 Mk I* in 1942,[32] with the bolt release catch replaced by a simpler notch on the bolt track of the rifle's receiver.[32] It was produced only in North America,[32] by Long Branch Arsenal in Canada and Savage-Stevens Firearms in the USA.[32] The No.4 Mk I rifle was primarily produced in the United Kingdom.[33]"
  12. The asterisk does indeed apply to the deleted bolthead release catch on the Savage (US) and Long Branch (Canadian) models. A batch of standard No4 Mk1 rifles from the UK Maltby factory did also end up being marked "No4 Mk1*", but no-one has discovered why this happened - most likely some sort of misunderstanding.
  13. I got the rifle, so far so good. Looking for the Rifle Manual, found a scan but not in the best quality:

    Do any of you have a better quality scan? Thus far all the numbers match, that is a good omen I reckon!