So, the pretty Lt off guns and roses and the troop staffie who was giving her the staff part have been booted out according to press reports-knew them both, won't miss them and we are well shot of them. Well done the army board...now about these rifles
Didn't the muppets involved in the Shriv episode get away with just a slap on the wrists because the prosecution's case fell apart? I seem to recall the case for rape was dropped because the woman's story didn't hold up to scrutiny and the main defendant was proved to be medically impotent and there wasn't enough evidence to prove the other defendants were anything other than a bunch of tw@ts.
If a guy no matter what rank has an affair with someone that doesnt work with them or at their workplace what the fu** has it got to do with the army these things happen every day in civvie street and lets face it we spend thosands on these soldiers so why discharge them just coz thier peckers are on overdrive
Hey, sorry, but am about to get on the high horse! I thought we were all supposed to be professionals here? Most female officers in the army are doing their level best to be regarded as equals to their male counterparts. What they don't need is their lads seeing them as a potential sexual conquest. Unfortunately, some female officers have let their own side down, and further more made themselves a laughing stock. Shagging your blokes, is not on, especially when they are directly in the chain of command.
If a male Pl Comd/Sgt was bonking his way around the troop (take a look at training Regts), they would be out the door. The same harsh standards need to be applied to female officers/sncos.
If you want to shag the hired help, civvie street is the way ahead (please don't take this as me denigrating junior ranks by the way).
CC, you are right! Have seen this with my own eyes a few times. One poisonous little wretch makes an accusation, and presto, a posting order for the alleged perpetrator, and a few days with the monkeys!
Trouble is that the Ph1/Ph2 system is riddled with inconsistencies and bureaucracy, which let our young trainees down. Set a standard, maintain that standard, and then they will know exactly where they stand. Give them an excuse to buck the system, and they will. Human rights? Who is paying them? We are? And after all, we are here to protect democracy, not practise it!
Gentlemen, may I interject a little cool analysis here?
I believe the basic premis that we all wish to be seen to be working from is:
1. That the same rules apply to men and women equally - so I should never have had to bollock that female Cpl (who was professionally excellent) for sleeping with a number of men in her first few months..
2. That it is not OK for officers to 'have sexual relationships with ORs under any circumstances' - so that 2Lt (male) shoud not have been quietly removed from my Regt for sleeping with a number of female ORs (oh, and promotoed to Lt on his arrival at his new unit) when a female offr from the same Regt was waiting to be court martialled for sleeping with the man she was engaged to (SSgt - single both, and unknown to anyone until they were discovered by unbelievable accident - said male Lt discovered when one of his cast offs compained to his OC)
3. If woman soldier was proved to make a false allegation, she was not dealt with robustly - if it was provable in a court of law why was the unit so reluctant to take action? What possible consequence would they have suffered in a legal sense? If, in a court, she was proved to have lied, then the unit is in the right. They are either too frightened to pursue a morally legitimate case or they are too frightened to expose what else is going on in their unit.
4. Will someone please explain to me why the cases involving female transgressions attract so much more attention than male transgressions, when all you boys want is equal treatment in the eys of the law? Or does that rule suddenly cease to have validation when it's a woman's sexual story on show for you all to salivate over?
Guys, you can either have porn, or you can have justice - but you can't have both.
If this is the infamous sauna episode (upon which a tv drama starring Danielle Nardini was loosely based), I heard from a man wearing gorgets not long afterward that the officers in question, although acquited in court would be dealt with by other means... by which he intimated that they would have very unchoice postings until they resigned and that if that did not work, that their SSC's would not be converted to IRC's. I got the impression that they would be no longer be serving by now. He also said that the "specimen charge" for conduct unbecoming was "That an officer threw a cat against a wall." A quite surreal court martial scenario!
Seriously though, in my brief and unhappy forray into phase 1 training we had a whole number of false allegations made against instructors. S.O.Ps were instructor goes on suspension, and the SIB got called in. Fortunately SIB definitley understood the "bobby" and would start the very first victim interview with words alonmg the lines of "Making false allegations is a very serious affair that may involve you going to Colchester if found guilty. IOf you are just looking to get out, work your ticket and don't waste our time.....do you still want to continue?" Probably not terribly fair, but given the number of false allegations that were withdrawn at that point, it worked. I don't recall what happened to the offenders, but I don't imagine their still collecting the Queen's shilling.
On a more fun note: who wants to lay claim to this:
Irrate Cpl "There's been a lot of allegations made about me, and don't think I don't know who the alligators are!"
The "alligators" one belongs to an ex SSM of 654 Sqn AAC during Gulf War round 1 (Danny something)
He was heard to say, in front of many, many squaddies on a parade "There have been several allegations made about me, I am going to turn around and when I turn back, I want all of the alligators to have taken one step forward"
The immediate reply, of course, was "how about the crocodiles?"
He was also heard to say during a weapons practice
"I want you all to dismantle those weapons over here and remantle them over there"
Hence the 654 Sqn Zap Sticker
"654 Sqn AAC, Desert Alligators. We can remantle Kuwait!"
Here enedth the history lesson.
As a point of interest, he was cap badged Pioneer Corps.
The full story here is quite a complicated one. I will try and keep it short. The civvy case for rape soon fell apart as most of the six had all already been through the woman in question (and for a number of other reasons). Not sure what happened to the four Regular Captains but there were two Officer Cadets in 'the six'. They were both 'Magged to Grid' in no time flat and are now annoyingly successful in 2 Civ Div.
My spies inform me that they were all given an admin discharge after a (long) period of time on full pay whilst it was all sorted out. Duty rumour has it that they are now all very successful too.
I think the actual result was a ´Case not Proven´ finding. I´m not sure of the legal technicalities but it doesn´t equal not guilty.... I await being corrected!
I once had a very senior Warrant Officer who was earmarked for a Commission. Totally blotted his copy book when it was found that he had been shagging not one but two WRAC girls [not at the same time though I might add]. Was moved out the same day he admitted it and got the "boot". A brilliant career gone because he couldn't keep it in his pants AND with his wife. Bad for "Good Order and Military Discipline"