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Now firstly let me say I am not in any way against the cadet forces and think they are great organisations.
I would like to relay my recent experiences to you surrounding the cadets and their adults.

Type A
I recently went to an ACF detachment with a colleague to do a demonstration "show and tell if you like" of Police public order kit at the invitation of the detachment commander.(all good for the PDR) Firstly the staff were cordial and have a very good relationship with the kids , they were very well turned out didnt swear and obviously worked very hard to support their cadets.There was no big timing and most of the 6 CFAVs were of a civvy background and seemed extremely professional .The 1 CFAVs who had a military background was an ex Military Policeman in the Australian Army and had only just joined the Cadet Corps. The cadets were very receptive and polite calling me by rank throughout the evening and really enjoyed being stuck in Public order kit and tearing about with shields in their detachment.All in all a very positive experience which I will repeat should that ACF unit ever want such support again.
I had the pleasure to see them all again when they were taking part in a parade locally and have to say their drill was excellent and their turnout fantastic.

In a separate county whilst at work I stopped off for a cheeky pizza in dominos for my scoff break making the most of the job 50% discount and (for the record I do plenty of PT before the fat copper jokes start)
In walked 2 blokes in uniform with ACF rankslides, one which resembled an MTP bell tent busting at its considerable seams, and the other a lanky bloke who had a bit of a pikey look about him.They decided that the lonely Plod in the carpark was in need of their attention and took it upon themselves to engage me in chat,(lucky me) one noticed my regimental pin badge on my armour and decided to waffle about his time in the mob (first face palm)- as it turned out he had no deployments under his belt and his 'career' was less than glorious but I digress. They then decided to ask me if I was going to GO FIREARMS (double face palm) making me realise that these guys had matched themselves up well against the CFAV gun loving weirdo stereo type.
I am sure they do a lot for their cadets however they looked like a pair of tramps in uniforms smoking outside whilst waiting for their food and frankly did not portray the military in a way I would expect of youth leaders.They requested 50% military discount for their food upon collection and off they went in a blur of regimental tshirt and flatcap shaped berets and the other looking like a slower moving MTP coloured buffalo-a bit of a shame really.

My advice to all your CFAVs out there -be more like type A than Type B beacause Type B are dicks
 
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Also why don't cadets and adults wear an Army Cadets cap badge ?
(regardless of Adults background)
Works well in Australia and stops walting !
 
Also why don't cadets and adults wear an Army Cadets cap badge ?
(regardless of Adults background)
Works well in Australia and stops walting !
I see what you have done there. Like a fuckwit you have confused one thread with another......... Move to strike!!!!!!
 
Does it really matter? If the blokes in "B" have the kids' interests at heart, does it really matter? I highly doubt they joined the ACF to "big time" it, as there's not much "big timing" to be done with an ACF rank slide! Granted "A" seems better, but surely you don't expect "B" to be of the standard of serving troops, when it is a youth organization?

As for the cap badge, given that the Army don't have a one-size fits all cap badge, then it's not particularly surprising that the ACF don't. The RN and RAF do, therefore the SCC and ATC do. If you want regular and reserve units to sponsor cadet units (and you do, with specialist instructors, transport, kit, tentage etc), then you can't expect an Artillery or Engineer unit to sponsor infantry skills in a cadet unit. So the cadets learn about guns and bridges...
 

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No mate just raised a valid point ..... And one which seems to hit a raw nerve with every cadet force instructor ?
Correct it is a youth club and fitness obviously doesn't seem to be a big priority but surely the organisation out of pride should impose some sort of standards on its staff ?
I have a lot of time for cadets they are doing something which probably isn't that popular in their peer group however the ranks of CFAVs seems to be infested with people who take themselves a little too seriously....
And are possibly a little deluded .....
 

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If regular and TA units were given responsibility for sponsorship of units directly by location as applicable - their cap badge wouldn't matter....
Surely cadets training level is such that any cap badge could feasibly deliver it if required ?
I see what you have done there. Like a fuckwit you have confused one thread with another......... Move to strike!!!!!!
Blah blah blah ..... Get over it you bloody youth leader
 
No mate just raised a valid point ..... And one which seems to hit a raw nerve with every cadet force instructor ?
Correct it is a youth club and fitness obviously doesn't seem to be a big priority but surely the organisation out of pride should impose some sort of standards on its staff ?

This argument is as old and boring as the hills, but to answer your question, ACF Officers are held to the same Values and Standards as Servicemen via the AGAI 67 process and are disciplined in accordance with the Armed Forces Act as necessary. Non Commissioned ACF instructors are held to account via the process detailed in the ACF Manual, which bears a striking resemblance to some aspects of AGAI 67 but takes into account their "civilians in uniform" status.




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So the gist of this thread is basically 'some members of that organisation are good at it and some are fat and shit at it.'

Coming from a copper... Quadruple face palm!
 
I would agree with that . .
 
No surprise.

Some people are more professional and better turned out than others.

Who'd of guessed?
 
I'm quite sure the young cadets would rather be sexually assaulted by trim, good looking gentlemen.
 

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I was going more for the "theres a few embarassments that seem to tarnish the name of a very worthwhile youth organisation with dedicated adult staff"
rather than the ...
"you are all walting unfit dress up weirdos with an obsession of all things military and self imposed status of authority "
 

Dwarf

LE
It's a bit like that pizza, you get bits of everything.

I've met a couple of right types, "It's going to be cold this weekend so we'll be breaking out the bin liners", who like to wear green stuff and feel Rambo.

On the other hand wor kid went ACF instructor after he left the battalion to give something back and did really well. His unit was Para badged so he did P Coy in his early 30's so the kids would have a platoon leader with a cherry berry and make them feel better than other cadet sections. Worked as well and numbers shot up. -Shame about the female instructor and his wife finding out. :twisted:

But the problem is not so much that you get good and bad instructors, that's a fact of life, but how they are selected and infused with correct behaviour and attitudes and how that is maintained.

Now I live abroad what's this about 50% discount? We never had that.
 

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LE
There is a separate ACF capbadge worn by units that are not sponsored.

The Pipes and Drums of the ACF wear the ACF capbadge as they are made up of many different units and therefore they come together under on capbadge when playing. the officers incharge also wear the ACF version.

They also wear their own tartan so as not to be confused with members of the Regular or Reserve bands.

And they are bloody good!

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Talon

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It isn't a very nice badge though. I think the presence of the white background makes it look a bit too cheap and tacky. With the exception of making life easier for QMs, I fail to see what there would be to gain by switching the entire ACF to one cap badge.
 
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