Admiral Boyce Wades into Blunketts Fantasy Diary

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I missed this on Sunday and don't see a reference to it on ARRSE. It's unfortunate that an Admiral is referred to as 'Army Chief' though I suppose he was in a manner of speaking. It would be nice if the interview was recorded so as to discount any journalistic licence.

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Admiral Lord Boyce says Blunkett has lost the plot.

Boyce on Blunkett

Blunkett describes how, in April 2003, he warned the cabinet of his growing concern about looting in Iraq. He said: “The military (in our case, Michael Boyce) were insisting that their job was to fight the war and not to police the area and protect citizens or vital equipment.

“They carried on saying this until we told them not to. It is absolutely breathtaking. There was a degree of complacency and a feeling along the lines of why would we be bothered about this?” Boyce said that he could not recall the discussion. However, he added: “The guy has lost the plot and maybe has a rich imagination. We were never complacent (about the looting).
The Admiral is also reported as saying about Blindgitt

This from a person who, as far as I’m aware, never went out there and never actually spoke to anybody who had a grip on what was happening.”
Blunkett, a candidate for Bernoulli's pit. Spare the dog.
 

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Nice to see, the now, Lord Boyce only speaking out to protect his own reputation. I don't seem to remember much from him at the time he was supporting Bliar's foreign adventures.

For keeping quiet Lord Boyce was made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, which comes with your very own nice castle in Walmer. Previous Lord Wardens include PITT, WELLINGTON, CHURCHILL, THE QUEEN MOTHER - I wouldn't really consider Boyce to be in that league!

Nice to see what you can get by supporting Uncle Tony isn't it?
 
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diplomat said:
Nice to see, the now, Lord Boyce only speaking out to protect his own reputation. I don't seem to remember much from him at the time he was supporting Bliar's foreign adventures.

For keeping quiet Lord Boyce was made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, which comes with your very own nice castle in Walmer. Previous Lord Wardens include PITT, WELLINGTON, CHURCHILL, THE QUEEN MOTHER - I wouldn't really consider Boyce to be in that league!

Nice to see what you can get by supporting Uncle Tony isn't it?
Diplomat you clearly missed the press conference when Buff said 'We are ready to act now' and Boyce said 'no we're not'... or words to that effect.
 

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Solon_of_Athens said:
diplomat said:
Nice to see, the now, Lord Boyce only speaking out to protect his own reputation. I don't seem to remember much from him at the time he was supporting Bliar's foreign adventures.

For keeping quiet Lord Boyce was made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, which comes with your very own nice castle in Walmer. Previous Lord Wardens include PITT, WELLINGTON, CHURCHILL, THE QUEEN MOTHER - I wouldn't really consider Boyce to be in that league!

Nice to see what you can get by supporting Uncle Tony isn't it?
Diplomat you clearly missed the press conference when Buff said 'We are ready to act now' and Boyce said 'no we're not'... or words to that effect.
He still supported him in the end though!
 
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With S of A on this one. Boyce did quite abit for the services hence his tenure was shorter than originally expected. That press conference was a gem! :D
 
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DodgerDog said:
With S of A on this one. Boyce did quite abit for the services hence his tenure was shorter than originally expected. That press conference was a gem! :D
He is also the guy who refused to send our troops to Iraq unless he was advised by the Attorney-General that the invasion was legal.

There was a lot of talk at the time that he wouldn't get a peerage as a result. I think the Tories said they'd recommend him if the Government didn't, so he got his peerage. In any case the Queen must have thought highly of him to give him the Lord Wardenship.

Policy row made chief of defence quit early
By Michael Smith Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 24/07/2002)

Serious disagreements between senior naval officers and the Government were a key factor in the early retirement of the Chief of the Defence Staff announced yesterday by Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary.

Admiral Sir Michael Boyce has clashed with the Government over its policy on the war on terrorism and the International Criminal Court. He also infuriated the Americans by describing their pursuit of the war on terrorism as "a high tech 21st century posse in the Wild West".

He is also believed to have opposed the decision to scrap the Royal Navy's 24 Sea Harriers in 2006 leaving aircraft carriers without any air cover until the introduction of the joint strike fighter in 2012.

His early retirement - chiefs of defence staff normally serve at least three years - follows the decision of the First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Nigel Essenhigh to retire early amid suggestions that he too was furious over the decision to scrap the Sea Harriers.

Defence sources said the announcement earlier this year that Adml Essenhigh was retiring "to manage his smallholding in Devon" was deliberately timed to coincide with the Budget "to bury the story" and that the real reason was "differences with the Government over naval policy".

Mr Hoon said both he and the Prime Minister felt that Adml Boyce had done "an absolutely superb job" and insisted he was retiring on time as part of a "well established system" whereby chiefs of defence staff only serve for two years. He will be replaced by General Sir Mike Walker, Chief of General Staff.

However, the last chief of defence staff to serve only two years was Air Chief Marshal Sir Peter Harding who resigned in 1994 after a highly publicised affair with Lady Bienvenida Buck, the wife of the late Tory MP Sir Antony Buck. General Sir Charles Guthrie, Adml Boyce's predecessor, served for four years and was 62 when he retired last year. He got on well with the Prime Minister who sought his advice on the war in Afghanistan.

There have been suggestions that Adml Boyce, who made his disquiet over the US approach to the war known on a number of occasions, saw this as undermining his own position as Chief of Defence Staff.

But it was his clashes with the Americans that were the most public. When Adml Boyce said in October that the war in Afghanistan could drag on into this year, he was slapped down by Donald Rumsfeld, US defence secretary, who ridiculed the comment at a Pentagon briefing.

"You know, he may know an awful lot more than I know," Mr Rumsfeld said to laughter from reporters.

Last December, during a speech at the Royal United Services Institute, Adml Boyce said that perspectives of global and regional stability had been "distorted" by the focus on fighting terrorism. "We have to consider whether we wish to follow the United States's single-minded aim to finish Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'eda.

"We have to realise that broader operations into regions that threaten UK policy goals will force us to choose between unconditional support to the coalition, conditional support, and 'red lines' or selective support - or indeed lack of support."

Ironically, the other area on which both Adml Boyce and Adml Essenhigh clashed with the Government was on its unequivocal backing for the International Criminal Court, an area in which he agreed with the Americans.

Adml Boyce told the Commons defence select committee last year that he was concerned that members of the armed forces could be brought before the court simply because they were doing their job.
 
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hammockhead said:
Policy row made chief of defence quit early
By Michael Smith Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 24/07/2002)

...

But it was his clashes with the Americans that were the most public. When Adml Boyce said in October that the war in Afghanistan could drag on into this year, he was slapped down by Donald Rumsfeld, US defence secretary, who ridiculed the comment at a Pentagon briefing.

"You know, he may know an awful lot more than I know," Mr Rumsfeld said to laughter from reporters.


Last December, during a speech at the Royal United Services Institute, Adml Boyce said that perspectives of global and regional stability had been "distorted" by the focus on fighting terrorism. ...
Just noticed the bit above.
 
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Policy row made chief of defence quit early
By Michael Smith Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 24/07/2002)
That date is 10 months before Admiral Boyce 'retired' (he remains on the active list). Journalistic licence or a typo and it should read 2003? Link?

Admiral Boyce was probably the 4* who made the Partei feel most uncomfortable until the CGS spoke up the other week. Generals (Admirals and Air Chief Marshals) should become 'political' when the government is full of posturing, short sighted (blind even!) idiots.

Rumsfeld, what a tool.
 
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diplomat said:
Solon_of_Athens said:
diplomat said:
Nice to see, the now, Lord Boyce only speaking out to protect his own reputation. I don't seem to remember much from him at the time he was supporting Bliar's foreign adventures.

For keeping quiet Lord Boyce was made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, which comes with your very own nice castle in Walmer. Previous Lord Wardens include PITT, WELLINGTON, CHURCHILL, THE QUEEN MOTHER - I wouldn't really consider Boyce to be in that league!

Nice to see what you can get by supporting Uncle Tony isn't it?
Diplomat you clearly missed the press conference when Buff said 'We are ready to act now' and Boyce said 'no we're not'... or words to that effect.

He still supported him in the end though!
And what would you do? There wasn't much Admiral Boyce could do to stop Bliar's so-called 'adventures' that he magically manages to enjoy without participating in :roll:

Good one though I'd be worried if anyone with a drop of common sense actually took what Blunktwit said seriously! He's just another delusioned labour w@nker with no grip on reality whatsoever.
 
#12
Nice One Boycey! At least, some may think...

And Radical - 'He's just another delusioned labour w@nker with no grip on reality whatsoever.' - presumably he was gripping something then. Makes a change from gripping someone else's wife, I suppose...
 

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