Acronym Help from the 1980's

As a bleep, we were told we'd get TA infantry to protect comms sites and HQ locs. I always thought "aye, bollocks". But these docs do indeed show 4x Inf Bns for exactly that. Well, colour me surprised!
 

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Ok,

As I continued to peruse the documents I found the following:
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Now the JTP362A Bn was the Dover based Bn (2 RGJ)
FRHU = Force Reinforcement Holding Unit

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I have no idea which Bn was the JTP362B (I am assuming its a resident BAOR Bn)

But it looks like ECR has to do a reinforcement or casualty role (thanks @putteesinmyhands and everyone !)
 

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JTP362B looks like a UIN (Unit Identity Number) although the format is a bit weird. JSP 329, Chapter 7 explains the format.

If so, JTP362B would indicate a sub-unit of JTP362A rather than a separate unit.


Note that there is a 20 year gap between your research and the date of archiving JSP 329 so it's likely that there'll be some differences.

I'm at a loss to explain how xxxA and xxxB are both described as battalions in your scanned documents if xxxB is a sub-unit.
 
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While I remember, in your main document, you have an error in your naming of the Specialist Teams Royal Engineers. You have (for example) "508 STRE (V)(Works)". It should read "508 STRE (Works)(V)" or, as most frequently written, "508 STRE (Wks)(V). This applies to all of the Specialist Teams.
 

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I know for a fact that JTP stands for Joint Theatre Plan, I have seen 362A (the Dover Bn, in this case 2 RGJ) mentioned in the Staff College Precis I have. (Also in the RGJ’s Annual I have)
 
I thought I'd replied in this thread. Obviously not.

I spoke to the CO of 2 Yorks (never Yorks Vols or V please. We were a Regiment in our own right not part of a Regular Regiment) on Lionheart.

He said "I haven't a dolly blue".

He then went on to suggest that as 2Yorks were earmarked as a Corps Reserve Bn it could be something to do with that.
 

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@mushroom
Thank you ! I have perused the documents again and they usually refer to it (I mean ECR) as “ JTP and the ECR” now I know JTP stands for Joint Theatre Plan and the Regular BN at Dover was supposed to go over early and start guarding and administrating the reinforcements flowing from the Channel Ports to the Corps Area. It also seems that a Regular Bn in Germany was supposed to do the same for units from Garrison to their GDPs. I am hoping I get clarification when I receive the Corps GDP from 1984-87 from Kew. I sent a FOI request to MOD for the 1988-91 GDP, apparently it was pulled out and used in Ex Unitied Shield in 2008.
 
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I thought I'd replied in this thread. Obviously not.

I spoke to the CO of 2 Yorks (never Yorks Vols or V please. We were a Regiment in our own right not part of a Regular Regiment) on Lionheart.

He said "I haven't a dolly blue".

He then went on to suggest that as 2Yorks were earmarked as a Corps Reserve Bn it could be something to do with that.
I wonder if we are talking of the same unit? 2 Yorks is something formed after the amalgamations in 2006.

2 Yorks Vols was a TA regt until renamed in about 1990.
I spent some time in their ranks many decades ago!
 

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I know you are - but I was asking mushroom.

I can't help with 2 Yorks Vols war role in 1989, I was long gone and don't recall it ever being mentioned decades before to us Pte's :)
 
I wonder if we are talking of the same unit? 2 Yorks is something formed after the amalgamations in 2006.

2 Yorks Vols was a TA regt until renamed in about 1990.
I spent some time in their ranks many decades ago!
To be pedantic, 2nd Battalion, The Yorkshire Volunteers, abbreviated to 2 Yorks or, more extremely, 2YV, existed from the 60s to the 90s (or thereabouts) as part of a wholly TA regiment. As such, the V, being an abbreviation of part of the title, would not have been enclosed in brackets - unlike other regiments where "(V)" denoted a TA component of a composite regiment.

There are those of us who take it as a bit of an affront that our designation (e.g. 1 Yorks) has been purloined and given to a regular battalion. It's hard enough to trace any TA regimental history even without the name being reallocated. The least the upstart modern 1 Yorks (ditto 2 and 3 Yorks) could have done would have been to suffix their abbreviation with "(R)" for (Regular).

;)
 
To be very pedantic 2nd Battalion Yorkshire Volunteers. 'The' was not part of the title. The official abbreviation was Yorks. No (v), no Vols, just Yorks.

9414- I joined 2 Yorks in 1973 (as a 17 year old) and was made aware from the outset that the Bn had a Home Defence Role. I don't know which Company you were but I am surprised that you didn't know your war role. I transferred to 1 Yorks in 1975 as they had a BAOR role and had better kit and weapons. I had 20 years in the Yorks and ended as a Coy Commander.

The current 2 Yorks came about with the amalgamation of the three Yorkshire Inf Bns in 2006. Later one Bn was disbanded leaving 1 and 2 Yorks. Similar name but a modern unit not an historical TA Bn.

ps Quite right Puttees.
 
9414 - Can't seem to get you on private whatever. We were in the same Coy at the same time. Did you go on to become a Solicitor after Regular service.
 

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Would ECR have anything to do with Emergency Call up Reserve - like regs coming back to the colours?
I just don’t know.......I reached out to the Yorkshire Volunteers Association, we left of f that they were researching it. I had hoped to have the 1 BR Corps GDP in my hands right now, which I think would have solved the issue. However due to the current unpleasantness I will have to wait until Kew is back open.
I think you may be on to something though as ECR is referenced along with the JTP (Joint Theatre Plan). The JTP seems to be units, both regs & TA, that were supposed to go over early to administer/guard the movements of everyone to their GDP on TTW.
 
Have spoken to the the CO of 2 Yorks several times. The Bn was the Res Bn for the Corps Rear Area with a secondary task as Heli-reserve for the whole of the Corps. He thinks that it could stand for Emergency Corps Reserve, but admits it was very much a guess. Neither of the two BAOR Yorks Bn's had a role in the TTW at the time, apart from moving out to GDP posns. I checked my 1975 SOHB and the acronym is not listed as anything other than the ones we know about already.
 

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Would ECR have anything to do with Emergency Call up Reserve - like regs coming back to the colours?
It's resolved on Page 1.

Electronic warfare symbols on the bird table generally used to have a 'WTF is that?' effect on all who saw them for the first time and were invariably used by DS to score cheap points during lessons on map marking.
 
I ran that past the then CO before and he said that his Bn had no role at all in any form of electronic warfare/recce. 2 Yorks were the Reserve for the Corps Rear Area providing one Heliborne Reserve Company and three lorried infantry Companies. His Bn were to be prepared to support the rest of the Corps where necessary. I seem to remember that 5 Queens had an anti tank role in either the Springe or Coppenbrugge gaps. They were to provide the static Milan posns in the gap thereby freeing up the Regular Milan plns to remain mobile.
 

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I ran that past the then CO before and he said that his Bn had no role at all in any form of electronic warfare/recce. 2 Yorks were the Reserve for the Corps Rear Area providing one Heliborne Reserve Company and three lorried infantry Companies. His Bn were to be prepared to support the rest of the Corps where necessary. I seem to remember that 5 Queens had an anti tank role in either the Springe or Coppenbrugge gaps. They were to provide the static Milan posns in the gap thereby freeing up the Regular Milan plns to remain mobile.
@mushroom, do you mind if I use that in my document ?

@FORMER_FYRDMAN
Definitely not anything to do with EW, 4 WFR and then 3 Cheshire had a "EW Guard Pl" that provided defence for 14 Sig Regt fwd dets.
 

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