ACF subject to Military Law?

#1
Can anyone clear this up for me? Are Cadets, and AI's subject to Military Law whilst "on duty" as it were?

I would imagine Adult Officers are, as they hold a commission, but what about the rest.

When I was a Cadet (12 years ago) I remember the range declaration stating it was a military offence etc, and also one of our sister detatchments used to parade at an RMP TAC.
Could those chaps in scary red hats actually arrest us, or would it be down to civvie plod?

What about an AI who commits what would be a military offence, whilst on duty on MOD property?
 
#3
Squiggles said:
Can anyone clear this up for me? Are Cadets, and AI's subject to Military Law whilst "on duty" as it were?

I would imagine Adult Officers are, as they hold a commission, but what about the rest.

When I was a Cadet (12 years ago) I remember the range declaration stating it was a military offence etc, and also one of our sister detatchments used to parade at an RMP TAC.
Could those chaps in scary red hats actually arrest us, or would it be down to civvie plod?

What about an AI who commits what would be a military offence, whilst on duty on MOD property?
Officers are subject to mil law.

AIs are not because they are civ scum.

Cadets even less because no one cares.

Now fcuk off!
 
#4
well if you look in "ACF Rank real?" all the numbties in there have made a point of pointing out we are only youth workers ( WAT THE F*CK!!!!!) so therefore are not subject to military law , but yes officers are because of the comission
 
#5
Ridiculous question.

No way.
 
#6
As a former/current member of all the below:

ACF
Regs
TA
RMP
and civvy bill

I'm the most qualified to speak on this I think, oh dear I can't be arrsed....
 
#7
stroker said:
As a former/current member of all the below:

ACF
Regs
TA
RMP
and civvy bill

I'm the most qualified to speak on this I think, oh dear I can't be arrsed....
Monkey AND the bill.

You must be in great demand at parties.
 
#9
PartTimeSJT said:
well if you look in "ACF Rank real?" all the numbties in there have made a point of pointing out we are only youth workers ( WAT THE F*CK!!!!!) so therefore are not subject to military law , but yes officers are because of the comission
You are still a youth worker on this thread too, idiot boy.
 
#10
We're a youth organisation. Obviously military law applies to serving soldiers, not youth leaders. The main regs we need to be aware of are Cadet Training Safety precautions and the childrens act, which are enough to keep anyone occupied. Leave military law to those whom it affects. We have enough to deal with looking after other peoples kids. In other words we have regs to help and guide us in our job, and soldiers have military law/queens regs. As I said in the ACF rank real thread, Ranks, and in this case, regulations, are appropriate and apply to what we do. WE ARE NOT SOLDIERS. Let's not make more regs turn against us by being walts. We need them for support.
 
#11
LostBoss said:
stroker said:
As a former/current member of all the below:

ACF
Regs
TA
RMP
and civvy bill

I'm the most qualified to speak on this I think, oh dear I can't be arrsed....
Monkey AND the bill.

You must be in great demand at parties.
Yeah I am, oh and ref your Mrs invitation to a party in her mouth - tell her I'll be coming. Ta rah, tish boom.
 
#12
PartTimeSJT said:
well if you look in "ACF Rank real?" all the numbties in there have made a point of pointing out we are only youth workers ( WAT THE F*CK!!!!!) so therefore are not subject to military law , but yes officers are because of the comission
Do you mean numpties, or do you mean the people who put you in your place you jumped up walting nobody

and you are only youth workers
 
#13
Squiggles said:
Can anyone clear this up for me? Are Cadets, and AI's subject to Military Law whilst "on duty" as it were?

I would imagine Adult Officers are, as they hold a commission, but what about the rest.

When I was a Cadet (12 years ago) I remember the range declaration stating it was a military offence etc, and also one of our sister detatchments used to parade at an RMP TAC.
Could those chaps in scary red hats actually arrest us, or would it be down to civvie plod?

What about an AI who commits what would be a military offence, whilst on duty on MOD property?
Bit of a mong question some may say, but here's the answer:

ACF Officers - Subject to military at ALL times (as in common with anybody else who holds the Queen's Commission in her Land Forces) - hardley used but a good way of getting rid of d!ckheads when they fcuk up but won't do the decent thing and get the mess Webbley!

ACF AIs - Part time crwon servents employed by the Secretary of State for Defence - not subject to military law and can only be treated as any other 'civie' whilst engaged on ACF activities, even on MOD property.

Cadets - As above minus the employment bit!
 
#14
stroker said:
As a former/current member of all the below:

ACF
Regs
TA
RMP
and civvy bill

I'm the most qualified to speak on this I think, oh dear I can't be arrsed....
As a former/current member of all the above, no wonder you're a rude arrogant cnut
stroker said:
Yeah I am, oh and ref your Mrs invitation to a party in her mouth - tell her I'll be coming. Ta rah, tish boom.
Point proven
 
#15
Anyway, back in the real world - yes it was a bit of a bone question. Just something I'd wondered and was interested to get a definitive answer.

To the cocky fcuks: Why read and reply if it's such a boring topic?

To those with brains: Thanks for the info. My curiosity is now satisfied.

Love to all,

Squiggles x
 
#16
Squiggles said:
To the cocky fcuks: Why read and reply if it's such a boring topic?
not boring, just one of a string of neurotic, solipsistic, 'ooh, who are we' threads of the ACF which clogs up the forum. Yours was a comparatively sensible question but the genre is sullied by the likes of PartTimeSjt (sic) who is clearly a dolt.

Same question, different time, might have elicited different replies.

By the way, why aren't the CCF asking such questions? Are they still around?
 
#17
Hmmmm, so if the sprogs can't be prosecuted under military law, why is it that when I was a Cadet (back in the day (!) ) we were always told it was a civil and military offence to remove items from a range?

Because obviously the Cadets are not subject to military law, and AI's can't be either (but several Walts that i've met recently among the AI's believe that they can be called up "for training purposes only") why is the declaration worded like that?

P



NB: When said AI said that, I did point out that there are plenty of retired THEM, Paras, Commando's etc about the place on reserve before they even have to consider calling up ex-Inf, yet alone mong Cadet AI's with no military experience and a hygiene problem.
 

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#18
Praetorian said:
Hmmmm, so if the sprogs can't be prosecuted under military law, why is it that when I was a Cadet (back in the day (!) ) we were always told it was a civil and military offence to remove items from a range?
Because, bonehead, it is both a MILITARY (that means us!) AND CIVILIAN (that means you!) ruling! Offence to remove ammuntition or parts thereof etc...

It is a blanket statement which caters for whoever has been using the range, serving or not.

If you are still too simple to understand - it means if you are in the military and break the rule, you're fcuked. However, if you happen to be on the range because you are civilian and involved with the ACF or any other such organisation, and you break the rule - you're also fcuked.

RTFQ (the acronym, not the Arrse user!) springs to mind.
 
#19
when we all leave a range we make a deculation ie cadets,TA,soldiers in ranks i dare say if a cadet was caught they would be easyway for a cadet as a soldier they would be charged
 

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#20
troopernorm said:
when we all leave a range we make a deculation ie cadets,TA,soldiers in ranks i dare say if a cadet was caught they would be easyway for a cadet as a soldier they would be charged
And anyone with grammar this bad shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition.
 
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