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vespa

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#1
this thread is for any ACF relevent posting to help any ACF members on this forum or would be instructor to make themselves known and post advice as needed or ask for advice from others re military subjects, drill, MOI etc etc and about joining the ACF itself.
thanks
Vespa

one thing you should also be aware this thread is heavily moderated so any baiting or irrelevent posting will be deleted.
 
#3
The ACF is a youth Service so
Equal to the Scouts rank structure I believe..
is not a bad answer for the NCO ranks, as the NCO's are Civiliens who are employed by the MoD and only wear rank to give to give the organisation some Structure (All ACF NCO's have to have the letters ACF under there stripes to show that they are not reg. or TA. (it also shows that thay have been passed as safe to handle children).

(That said an ACF Sgt will draw Sgt pay of £48 a day. and the other ranks will draw pay equivelent to there rank.)

The Officers Hold a Class B TA Commision but as thay haven't done the commisioning course thay can only be promoted as far as Lt. after that it is all acting. eg Lt acting Capt. Lt acting Maj. Lt Acting Lt Col. and even Lt acting Col..

SI ffw


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#5
Without this looking like a jibe against the ACF etc...

Matter of interest how current is the doctrine that you lot are teaching the kiddywinks?

Just interested.
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
Been away for a few days hence the late posting.

The doctrine taught to the kiddywinkies is not remotely current for a few reasons.

1) Infantry tactics are modiffied due to the need to remain behind a nominal firing point. The cadet GP rifle (SA80 single shot bolt action version) cannot be fitted with a BFA so nobody can go forward of a firing cadet. This precludes the classic fire and manoevre routine.

2) All cadets must "make safe" before moving with a rifle (see BFA comment above)

3) Cadets may only fire from the prone position (see BFA comment above)

4) The LSWs have all been withdrawn as part of the LSW/minimi debacle so no automatic fire is available.

We cannot show them how it is really done due to the make safe/BFA issues however, what we can do is provide them with a "taster" of things.

Whilst it severely restricts the training realism anyone who has seen a blank round injury with a BFA would support the policy of avoiding the worse scenario of a fourteen year old getting a blank round injury with no BFA.
 
#8
fcuking hitler mods, you deleted my post about getting this piece of crap going - was it a lie? no, before i asked a serious (honest) question nobody apart from tigger and vespa had posted. silly fuckwits, dont be ordering any custom mugs - i.e. i know who you are as it wont be talcum powder that falls out :evil:
 
#10
had to be the mods tigger, i wonder what vespsa offered them..... 8O

but in all seriousness; is there really a place for cadets? maybe the ACF leaders i.e my mate is ex cheese and onion now an ACF leader, top bloke and would fit in here perfectly. But the actual cadets?????? (and some of the leaders?????)
 
#11
Haven't a load of posts gone missing from this board? WHat happened? I take it that the MOD nazis have been in and cleared up in the wee small hours?? :(
 
#12
In all seriousness, there is a place for the ACF, it is a great org, and when the right guys are running it the cadets really do benefit.

I ran 27ctt for a year, awhile back, and had a great time, the adults I instructed were in general , genuinley interested ,willing to listen and learn , and pass it on to the cadets as intended ie TP's (lesson plans etc) not as "war stories and look at me how wonderfull I am".

However when I tried to "weedle" out the undesireables, who in my opinion were not capable of being trusted with the kids( and I mean predominately safety wise in the field etc) I was told by the powers that be basicly "wind my neck in" So I became a little dissallusioned that we were allowing certain types to be in charge with these kids just to keep the numbers up. So I after a year of banging my head against the wall requested an RTU, which I got ,............. my replacement a well experienced SNCO from the QLR didnt fair much better.he only lasted 9 months before requesting his RTU.

Summary, I think the ACF is a great org and should be given all the assistance possible......................I just think Vespa is a right dim tw*t who should be pulled through with a 120 bore brush and do something he is capable of ....like trolley boy down the local supermarket.
 

Unknown_Quantity

War Hero
Moderator
#13
Mod nazism is in full and happy swing on this thread and one other thread on the board. There are reasons for both which I'll explain to anyone that wishes via PM. This thread is the only current ACF thread on the OTC / ACF board and I'd like to see if any decent debate can be brought out through it.

For future reference, if posts are needlessly off topic, personal vendettas or pointless digs at the ACF they may well be removed. As before the rules for the rest of the board remain as they always have.
 
#14
manchestercop said:
but in all seriousness; is there really a place for cadets? maybe the ACF leaders i.e my mate is ex cheese and onion now an ACF leader, top bloke and would fit in here perfectly. But the actual cadets?????? (and some of the leaders?????)
I meant on ARRSE
 

Unknown_Quantity

War Hero
Moderator
#16
manchestermonkey said:
manchestermonkey said:
but in all seriousness; is there really a place for cadets? maybe the ACF leaders i.e my mate is ex cheese and onion now an ACF leader, top bloke and would fit in here perfectly. But the actual cadets?????? (and some of the leaders?????)
I meant on ARRSE
This is something that has been heavily debated between the mods - the result being that we agreed there was a place for the staff on Arrse but having the cadets look in (esp at the naafi) could be very dodgy. A direct result of this was the note by the naafi entrance saying "the rough bit - if you are easily offended do not enter" The ACF component of this site is directly aimed at staff, but there are no controls that can be exercised over who looks at the site.
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
With apologies to the forum moderators for sounding like Dad (for this is not my forum)

I know that I come across as a right miserable chuff when it comes to cadets etc. as I take the whole issue very seriously.

Whilst ARRSE as a whole is a big boy n girls toy this forum is the one likely to attract kids.

Just do yourself and the army a favour and count to ten before posting smart comments.

The cadets I come across are very worldy wise, many of them come from dog rough areas, crappy family backgrounds with a history of neglect; They know more about drugs, sex etc. than most of the posters on this board however.

It is not what you say that is the issue, it is how it is seen by casual observers who come across the forum. Supposed mature soldiers posting purile, immature obscenities on a forum aimed at cadets of any type reflects very badly on the poster, the site owners and most importantly the Army.

Those who post these comments are the first to stand at the bar with a pint of wifebeater and bleat about how nobody respects the Army. Earn the respect.
 
#18
maninblack, what would you say to vespa advertising the fact he is a cadet leader and then doggedly attacking tigger at every turn in every forum? Surely the cadets who are more worldly wise than use naive regs (come on we're only in the army, nothing compared to the sprogs) would be able to associate "vespa the cadet leader" with "vespa the guy in the NAAFI with a huge chip on his shoulder".....
 
#20
Having spent time with the ACF (4 years)...i have to admit that i was very impressed by the way that the adults run the show. Like the regs, you do get craps officers (some of the time), but the sgts etc really put the effort in...largely unpaid aswell. I found that the ACF turned my life around and that has to be attributed, in part, to the commitment the adults make.

Will definately join ACF after im out
 

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