Aberdeen Uni

Poppy

LE

I am maybe old fashioned but this does seem mad - if people don't want to respect British values and traditions, including our military, then why the hell choose to study in Britain?​

"Student banned for discrimination after saying ‘Rule, Britannia’​

University union suspends 19-year-old, who claims she has been disciplined for the ‘crime of being patriotic’

ByEwan Somerville17 March 2021 • 9:12pm

Elizabeth Heverin, 19, was disciplined after a fellow student complained following a virtual hustings event

Elizabeth Heverin, 19, was disciplined after a fellow student complained following a virtual hustings event

A student has been banned from a university union for making the quip “Rule, Britannia” during a debate about the British Army’s presence on campuses.
Elizabeth Heverin was disciplined by officials at Aberdeen University Students’ Association (AUSA) for using “discriminatory or racist language”, after a fellow student complained.
The 19-year-old cited the song in a virtual hustings on whether to renew a union policy on the “demilitarised campus”, where the Armed Forces are barred from recruiting students or visiting AUSA buildings and events. Officials subsequently banned her from all students’ union buildings, debates and services for two weeks.
“It feels like I’ve been prosecuted for the crime of being patriotic,” she told The Telegraph. “It’s scary to think where freedom of speech at the university will go from here.
The Free Speech Union said the ban “beggars belief” and called on the students’ union to rescind the punishment and apologise.

International students raised concerns during the online meeting in December that the presence of military personnel on campus would make them feel uncomfortable, due to links with colonialism and the British Empire.
Buildings at Aberdeen University.

International students raised concerns that the presence of military personnel on campus would make them feel uncomfortable
It prompted Ms Heverin, a first-year history and politics student who sits on the union’s council, to ask in an accompanying webchat: “If the British military makes them feel uncomfortable why did they come to a British uni?” In a post several minutes later, she wrote: “Rule, Britannia.”
An attendee filed a formal complaint to students’ union authorities, and a disciplinary investigation was launched. Reporting their findings last month, union officials told Ms Heverin “the language used by you, in particular the use of the phrase ‘Rule Britannia’, could be construed as potentially discriminatory”.
However, they were unable to determine whether there was “deliberate racist intent” in her utterance of it. They found she had breached three parts of a bylaw, including failing to “conduct [herself] in a manner that shall not offend others and shall not use foul and abusive language, either orally, in writing or by expression or by engaging in any form of discriminatory or anti-social behaviour”.
The anthem Rule, Britannia! is associated with the Royal Navy and originated from a poem by James Thomson. It has been a key feature of the Last Night of the Proms, prompting a major row last year over plans to drop the song amid Black Lives Matter protests. Critics have taken issue with its nationalistic message, and the line “Britons never, never, never shall be slaves”.
Ms Heverin said she had experienced an “anti-British atmosphere” in the students’ union and attempts of “trying to shame people from being proud to be British”. She raised concern that new laws to protect free speech at universities unveiled by Gavin Williamson, the Education Secretary, to combat “rising intolerance” on campuses would not extend to Scotland.
Toby Young, general secretary of the Free Speech Union, said: “This is a misguided attempt to silence someone based on ignorant guesswork about their political values. Trying to silence people you suspect of harbouring unfashionable views through bans or by no-platforming them should have no place at a university.”
The AUSA meeting eventually resolved to overturn the policy banning military organisations and personnel, including the Aberdeen University Officer Training Corps, from AUSA buildings or events.
Aberdeen University Students’ Association was approached for comment."
 
Reporting their findings last month, union officials told Ms Heverin “the language used by you, in particular the use of the phrase ‘Rule Britannia’, could be construed as potentially discriminatory”.
However, they were unable to determine whether there was “deliberate racist intent” in her utterance of it.
They do indeed, walk among us.
 
The debate, it seems, was about ‘demilitarising’ the campus.
Clearly the Aberdeen University Students’ Association failed to see the irony in sharing their initials - AUSA - with the Association of the US Army.
 

giatttt

War Hero
Given the role played by the Royal Navy in bring the transatlantic trade in slaves to an end, it does seem a rather uninformed position to take.
 
A little strange especially as Aberdeen UOTC is one of the biggest in Scotland.
 
So the big question remains unanswered
Does she take it up the Gary glitter

Serious head on
@Sixty
Any thoughts or comments on university rules bylaws and so forth
 
Knee jerk censorship in an establishment where you're supposed to occasionally broaden your mind through exposure to perspectives' other than your own in between all the youthful debauchery and hedonism. Brilliant.
 


International students raised concerns during the online meeting in December that the presence of military personnel on campus would make them feel uncomfortable, due to links with colonialism and the British Empire.

Do they also ban SNP supporters on campus due to links to fascism?
 

I am maybe old fashioned but this does seem mad - if people don't want to respect British values and traditions, including our military, then why the hell choose to study in Britain?​

"Student banned for discrimination after saying ‘Rule, Britannia’​

University union suspends 19-year-old, who claims she has been disciplined for the ‘crime of being patriotic’

ByEwan Somerville17 March 2021 • 9:12pm

Elizabeth Heverin, 19, was disciplined after a fellow student complained following a virtual hustings event

Elizabeth Heverin, 19, was disciplined after a fellow student complained following a virtual hustings event

A student has been banned from a university union for making the quip “Rule, Britannia” during a debate about the British Army’s presence on campuses.
Elizabeth Heverin was disciplined by officials at Aberdeen University Students’ Association (AUSA) for using “discriminatory or racist language”, after a fellow student complained.
The 19-year-old cited the song in a virtual hustings on whether to renew a union policy on the “demilitarised campus”, where the Armed Forces are barred from recruiting students or visiting AUSA buildings and events. Officials subsequently banned her from all students’ union buildings, debates and services for two weeks.
“It feels like I’ve been prosecuted for the crime of being patriotic,” she told The Telegraph. “It’s scary to think where freedom of speech at the university will go from here.
The Free Speech Union said the ban “beggars belief” and called on the students’ union to rescind the punishment and apologise.

International students raised concerns during the online meeting in December that the presence of military personnel on campus would make them feel uncomfortable, due to links with colonialism and the British Empire.
Buildings at Aberdeen University.

International students raised concerns that the presence of military personnel on campus would make them feel uncomfortable
It prompted Ms Heverin, a first-year history and politics student who sits on the union’s council, to ask in an accompanying webchat: “If the British military makes them feel uncomfortable why did they come to a British uni?” In a post several minutes later, she wrote: “Rule, Britannia.”
An attendee filed a formal complaint to students’ union authorities, and a disciplinary investigation was launched. Reporting their findings last month, union officials told Ms Heverin “the language used by you, in particular the use of the phrase ‘Rule Britannia’, could be construed as potentially discriminatory”.
However, they were unable to determine whether there was “deliberate racist intent” in her utterance of it. They found she had breached three parts of a bylaw, including failing to “conduct [herself] in a manner that shall not offend others and shall not use foul and abusive language, either orally, in writing or by expression or by engaging in any form of discriminatory or anti-social behaviour”.
The anthem Rule, Britannia! is associated with the Royal Navy and originated from a poem by James Thomson. It has been a key feature of the Last Night of the Proms, prompting a major row last year over plans to drop the song amid Black Lives Matter protests. Critics have taken issue with its nationalistic message, and the line “Britons never, never, never shall be slaves”.
Ms Heverin said she had experienced an “anti-British atmosphere” in the students’ union and attempts of “trying to shame people from being proud to be British”. She raised concern that new laws to protect free speech at universities unveiled by Gavin Williamson, the Education Secretary, to combat “rising intolerance” on campuses would not extend to Scotland.
Toby Young, general secretary of the Free Speech Union, said: “This is a misguided attempt to silence someone based on ignorant guesswork about their political values. Trying to silence people you suspect of harbouring unfashionable views through bans or by no-platforming them should have no place at a university.”
The AUSA meeting eventually resolved to overturn the policy banning military organisations and personnel, including the Aberdeen University Officer Training Corps, from AUSA buildings or events.
Aberdeen University Students’ Association was approached for comment."
For moment there, I thought this was important, and then read it was a Students' Union...
 
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Knee jerk censorship in an establishment where you're supposed to occasionally broaden your mind through exposure to perspectives' other than your own in between all the youthful debauchery and hedonism. Brilliant.
How very old fashioned.

University now is a place where you are told what to think not how to think.

Next up for Aberdeen SU will be inviting St Greta to chops off about the oil industry.
 
I wonder if someone is going to get mad and paint the lyrics for Rule Britannia on the outside of the university. Hopefully someone will be sacked over this.
 
I wonder if someone is going to get mad and paint the lyrics for Rule Britannia on the outside of the university. Hopefully someone will be sacked over this.
Why would the university be attacked (except by stupid knuckle-draggers)? It was the SU who 'banned' and then rescinded the decision; nothing to do with the university. Who would be sacked? A group of students who run what is, effectively, a social club?
 
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Dredd

LE
A little strange especially as Aberdeen UOTC is one of the biggest in Scotland.

Yes, but remember that the RN moved HMS Archer down to Edinburgh a few years ago so effectively closed the URNU in Aberdeen.
 

Dredd

LE
How very old fashioned.

University now is a place where you are told what to think not how to think.

Next up for Aberdeen SU will be inviting St Greta to chops off about the oil industry.

Their SU constitution is a good illustration of the direction of travel towards obscurity. Byelaws 6 and 19 are instructive.


This University is well over 500 years old, and had a good reputation in real professions. Sadly, they seem to be moving away from this as not desirable so they can concentrate on being woke. Shame.
 

Wee Hawken

Old-Salt
Knee jerk censorship in an establishment where you're supposed to occasionally broaden your mind through exposure to perspectives' other than your own in between all the youthful debauchery and hedonism. Brilliant.
The Student Union at my university banned the OTC from recruiting at the Freshers' Fair because we were all fascists or something.

So we set up the stand outside the entrance which meant that we were more visible than we would ever have been at the back of the hall somewhere. Plenty of people wanted to talk to us - and sign up.

This was nearly 40 years ago. Looks like nothing has changed.
 
The AUSA meeting eventually resolved to overturn the policy banning military organisations and personnel, including the Aberdeen University Officer Training Corps, from AUSA buildings or events.

One should note that this is what occurs when students who'd normally not go within several thousand miles of student politics mutter , 'Oh, FFS' because they consider that something is so eye-wateringly stupid that the 'hacks' need to be put in their place and thus turn up and vote....

The best one of these was when the Oxford University Student Union attempted to ban the OTC and UAS from Freshers' Fair for being homophobic warmongers, only to discover that this meant that they'd banned themselves from the event according to their constitution... Also, as the event takes places in the Exam Schools (owner: The University), OUSU had breached university rules and were given the choice of admitting the UAS and OTC or finding a new venue for Freshers' Fair...
 
Given the role played by the Royal Navy in bring the transatlantic trade in slaves to an end, it does seem a rather uninformed position to take.

A huge part of todays Education system is geared towards uninforming this.
And other parts of British history as well.

Good on this young lady.
 

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