Seen as I am up late tonight, I have watched BBC switch to ABC who are doing a prog on Ohio. I have just watched one of their reporters film a piece on serving soldeiers children attending a "Santa" gathering hosted by veterans. Interesting thing was that most of the veterans (US) in attendance seem to be able to comprehend the Brit point of view of being able to be pro forces yet against the war. A yank WW2 vet has just said "I am behind our guys all the way, but if the Germans had invaded the US, I would be the insurgent. This war isn't like ours, we were fighting for the right way and even the German civilians knew that. I don't want to hear about our guys being killed by roadside bombs anymore, we never had that with civilians because we were right" The report then went on to say that 18, 000 yanks had been killed so far (which surprised me, I didn't think it was that many). No point to this really bar bringing up the views of the veteran, of an American that even NeoCon would never dare point the finger at as a "damn commie liberal". I personally have never agreed with Telic, we should have finished it during Granby when we had the momentum and the full support of the Iraqi's. I view the 28th Feb as one of the biggest failings of western military power as we could have saved thousands of Iraqi, UK and US lives if we had got rid of the fcuker there and then. At least it would have had a semi legitimate pretense as a retalliation against the invasion of Kuwait as opposed to the made up "axis of evil" crap that bush used this time round. Poignant (sp) and refreshing to hear the views of men that have actually served in combat with the US forces (unlike their CiC) who are so blatantly with their troops but against their commander.