AAC to busy so Navy helps out

Guns

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#2
Sorry but you're thread title is bollaux.

847NAS was formally 3Cdo Bde Air Squadron and as such used to deploy to NI and take it's turn along with the squadrons of the AAC


This is simply an extension of that previous routine.

Nothing to see here, move along
 

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And he feels the slow pull on the line, tick tick tick - pause and strike. Reel in. Gut and clean for tea.

Commando Helicopter Force | Royal Navy

Although it does beg the question why a Naval Sqn intended for Amphibious Operations is doing a stint in Afganistan, keeping up the skills????

Do the AAC not have enough crew etc to maintain a small detachment on the main effort for the whole of the Army? Yet again the Naval Service is having to back fill Army and RAF and still maintain a full capabilty to meet all its world wide committments. Just as well our Harmony time is flexible enough to meet this. And to think we are the smallest service and keep getting told we are irrelevant.
 
#4
Not a bite mate, just putting you straight.


And you're right, it will do them no harm to deploy to Afghan, I'm sure they will do a fine job as they have done in the past.





Now, back in the barrel with you ;P
 
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Well done Jack for finding the slots to keep the spectre of skill-fade at arms length.

Just one question; SK lift capacity v Lynx?
 
#8
I feel sorry for the Navy. To be so insecure in your own skin that every time you send guys to Theatre, you feel the need to trumpet it everywhere.........

Royal Navy on active service in Afghanistan

You can just feel the self-pity simmering over from the first posting -

We've seen rare reports of Naval Strike Wing, RN Medics, RN Clearance Divers and RN Loggies in Afghanistan but, in general, the contribution of non-RM members of the Naval Service has been invisible. The universal wearing of dessies doesn't help either, leaving the Great British Public and the mass media with the impression that only the Pongoes and Crabs are involved. I've started this thread in an attempt to redress the balance somewhat. Just to reinforce my point

It's "out-of-core" activity that's keeping the RN in the game just now. Very limited aviation and the RM, and that's about it.
 
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*too*
 

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It's "out-of-core" activity that's keeping the RN in the game just now. Very limited aviation and the RM, and that's about it.
If you read through recent speeches made by VCDS/CDS they both note that the RN has rather taken a backseat in funding and capability terms since the commencement of Land centric operations, Iraq through to Afghanistan and Ellamy, despite the commitment of RN Service resource, and that now is the time to start looking ahead and giving the RN the funding and capability it needs. Whether that will happen time will tell, but I doubt the RN is out of the game - our militia (Or former Army) having large components of capability (inf, armour, arty, SF) removed, how much more before that might soon be regarded as being "out of the game"?

Methinks that line may apply so easily across all three Services if we're not careful.
 

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I feel sorry for the Navy. To be so insecure in your own skin that every time you send guys to Theatre that you feel the need to trumpet it everywhere.........

Royal Navy on active service in Afghanistan

You can just feel the self-pity simmering over from the first posting -

We've seen rare reports of Naval Strike Wing, RN Medics, RN Clearance Divers and RN Loggies in Afghanistan but, in general, the contribution of non-RM members of the Naval Service has been invisible. The universal wearing of dessies doesn't help either, leaving the Great British Public and the mass media with the impression that only the Pongoes and Crabs are involved. I've started this thread in an attempt to redress the balance somewhat. Just to reinforce my point

It's "out-of-core" activity that's keeping the RN in the game just now. Very limited aviation and the RM, and that's about it.
I can't decide if you are trolling for a bite or are serious. If a bite its a good one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/62482/strategic-defence-security-review.pdf

From the SDSR we can see there are 7 Standing Military Tasks

1. Defending the UK and Overseas Terrorities - Naval Service doing this.
Security at Sea| Royal Navy
Preventing Conflict | Royal Navy
Protecting our Economy | Royal Navy
Example of units in action River Class
or Dramatic Backdrop As Dauntless Sails On | Royal Navy

2. Providing Stratigic Intelligence
Ice Patrol and Survey Ships
Example From Scott of the Antarctic to Scott of the Atlantic
Plus the unseen covert submarines doing their thing but to name two areas of the Naval Service

3. Provide the nuclear deterant
I think this covers it Ballistic Submarines | Royal Navy

4. Supporting civil emergency service in time of crisis
OP FRESCO - despite the media saying it was the Army the RN and RAF manned all the BA teams who did the proper firefighting.

5. Defending our interest by projecting power strategically and through expeditionary interventions
Assault Ships | Royal Navy coupled with About the Royal Marines | Royal Navy
The Navy and the Environment
leading to this capability
Navy Roars Into The Med For Key 2012 Deployment | Royal Navy

6. Providing defence contribution to UK infulence
HMS Edinburgh is on her way home| Royal Navy
Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central/ U.S. 5th Fleet
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
Royal Navy sailors share 500 years of seafaring knowledge with Saudi partners | Royal Navy

7. Providing security for stablisation
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So out of core activity, no that is just something else we do on top of all our other committments.

If you are serving and can get on DII(Secret) go to the PJHQ web page and check out the percentage of personnel and forces dedicated to Operations (bear in mind Nuclear deterent is not a PJHQ task) and you will see we are more committed that the other services.
 
#16
I can't decide if you are trolling for a bite or are serious. If a bite its a good one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/62482/strategic-defence-security-review.pdf

From the SDSR we can see there are 7 Standing Military Tasks

1. Defending the UK and Overseas Terrorities - Naval Service doing this.
Security at Sea| Royal Navy
Preventing Conflict | Royal Navy
Protecting our Economy | Royal Navy
Example of units in action River Class
or Dramatic Backdrop As Dauntless Sails On | Royal Navy

2. Providing Stratigic Intelligence
Ice Patrol and Survey Ships
Example From Scott of the Antarctic to Scott of the Atlantic
Plus the unseen covert submarines doing their thing but to name two areas of the Naval Service

3. Provide the nuclear deterant
I think this covers it Ballistic Submarines | Royal Navy

4. Supporting civil emergency service in time of crisis
OP FRESCO - despite the media saying it was the Army the RN and RAF manned all the BA teams who did the proper firefighting.

5. Defending our interest by projecting power strategically and through expeditionary interventions
Assault Ships | Royal Navy coupled with About the Royal Marines | Royal Navy
The Navy and the Environment
leading to this capability
Navy Roars Into The Med For Key 2012 Deployment | Royal Navy

6. Providing defence contribution to UK infulence
HMS Edinburgh is on her way home| Royal Navy
Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central/ U.S. 5th Fleet
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
Royal Navy sailors share 500 years of seafaring knowledge with Saudi partners | Royal Navy

7. Providing security for stablisation
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So out of core activity, no that is just something else we do on top of all our other committments.

If you are serving and can get on DII(Secret) go to the PJHQ web page and check out the percentage of personnel and forces dedicated to Operations (bear in mind Nuclear deterent is not a PJHQ task) and you will see we are more committed that the other services.

WELL DONE YOU.

Makes the rest of the AF look positively lazy.


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#17
Surely this is what JHC is all about - joint being the operative word.
 
#18
And he feels the slow pull on the line, tick tick tick - pause and strike. Reel in. Gut and clean for tea.

Commando Helicopter Force | Royal Navy

Although it does beg the question why a Naval Sqn intended for Amphibious Operations is doing a stint in Afganistan, keeping up the skills????

Do the AAC not have enough crew etc to maintain a small detachment on the main effort for the whole of the Army? Yet again the Naval Service is having to back fill Army and RAF and still maintain a full capabilty to meet all its world wide committments. Just as well our Harmony time is flexible enough to meet this. And to think we are the smallest service and keep getting told we are irrelevant.
Yeah, beggars belief that we cannot support Afghanistan with 5 Lynx Sqns...

As well as all the other RAAT, PDT and not forgetting harmony. We have a specialist Lynx Sqn permanently on enduring Ops/RoW standby.

We have one Lynx, and one AH Sqn perm deployed in theatre.

Apache has 5 combat Sqns. Last year two were in Afghan and two in Libya. The AH also picking up the 'Maritime' role on HMS Ocean on a permanent basis.

The AH Regts do 12mths in theatre, 9mths out. However, 3mths on return from theatre you start PDT again. Some blokes deploy for 9mths within the 12mth deployment.

A friend is on his 7th six month deployment since 2006.

How very dare we have time off!

Now you can see why the AAC came very bottom of the continuous attitude survey in the Army.

Dry your eyes, shipmate!


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#19
I can't decide if you are trolling for a bite or are serious. If a bite its a good one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/62482/strategic-defence-security-review.pdf

From the SDSR we can see there are 7 Standing Military Tasks

1. Defending the UK and Overseas Terrorities - Naval Service doing this.
Security at Sea| Royal Navy
Preventing Conflict | Royal Navy
Protecting our Economy | Royal Navy
Example of units in action River Class
or Dramatic Backdrop As Dauntless Sails On | Royal Navy

2. Providing Stratigic Intelligence
Ice Patrol and Survey Ships
Example From Scott of the Antarctic to Scott of the Atlantic
Plus the unseen covert submarines doing their thing but to name two areas of the Naval Service

3. Provide the nuclear deterant
I think this covers it Ballistic Submarines | Royal Navy

4. Supporting civil emergency service in time of crisis
OP FRESCO - despite the media saying it was the Army the RN and RAF manned all the BA teams who did the proper firefighting.

5. Defending our interest by projecting power strategically and through expeditionary interventions
Assault Ships | Royal Navy coupled with About the Royal Marines | Royal Navy
The Navy and the Environment
leading to this capability
Navy Roars Into The Med For Key 2012 Deployment | Royal Navy

6. Providing defence contribution to UK infulence
HMS Edinburgh is on her way home| Royal Navy
Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central/ U.S. 5th Fleet
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
Royal Navy sailors share 500 years of seafaring knowledge with Saudi partners | Royal Navy

7. Providing security for stablisation
HMS Argyll Takes Part In West African Exercise | Royal Navy
British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So out of core activity, no that is just something else we do on top of all our other committments.

If you are serving and can get on DII(Secret) go to the PJHQ web page and check out the percentage of personnel and forces dedicated to Operations (bear in mind Nuclear deterent is not a PJHQ task) and you will see we are more committed that the other services.
I notice that the Dark Blue often bask in the reflected glory of the Marines. And why wouldn't they? It's not as if jollying about in a boat with loads of seamen is properly deploying, now is it? Or at least, deploying to any relevant ends.

Those Marines mentioned earlier are, of course, the self same RM who, post-YO training, are entirely Army trained - for instance the numerous SO3-level courses run by the Army that the RM are too small to run themselves (J2 trg, J4, Fmn BPC, ICSC(L), etc etc etc). The RM do no post-YO Course in-house training for their Officers, unless I am massively mistaken.

It's exactly the same in aviation - the Crabs kept the fixed-wing FAA in existence for years after they should've time-expired.

Senile Service - just you carry on letting other folk pick up the tab for your training, and then walk about giving it "We're much better and offer more VFM than anyone else".

You might believe it, no-one else does....!!!!
 
#20
I notice that the Dark Blue often bask in the reflected glory of the Marines. And why wouldn't they? It's not as if jollying about in a boat with loads of seamen is properly deploying, now is it? Or at least, deploying to any relevant ends.

Those Marines mentioned earlier are, of course, the self same RM who, post-YO training, are entirely Army trained - for instance the numerous SO3-level courses run by the Army that the RM are too small to run themselves (J2 trg, J4, Fmn BPC, ICSC(L), etc etc etc). The RM do no post-YO Course in-house training for their Officers, unless I am massively mistaken.

It's exactly the same in aviation - the Crabs kept the fixed-wing FAA in existence for years after they should've time-expired.

Senile Service - just you carry on letting other folk pick up the tab for your training, and then walk about giving it "We're much better and offer more VFM than anyone else".

You might believe it, no-one else does....!!!!
Probably not, but I've got over 1400 days LSA for my trouble, so it makes the Flight Deck BBQ all that more enjoyable.
 
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