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AAC TA Regt to disband as an economy measure

#1
Folks, I realise I'm straying out of my remit here but I read a piece on Janes.com site that the UK Government is to disband a AAC TA regiment of 22 LOH Gazelles and lay off 84 aircrew all as a cost saving measure. And I thought you blokes were the way ahead for the Army.....
 
#3
Laying off the aircrew seems a bit shortsighted given the shortage of Crews in general, I'm sure those on intensive ops would appreciate the rest. Mind you it would cost to retrain them on more sophisticated aircraft now wouldn't it.
 
#4
Link?
 
#6
The spokesman said that "other AAC aircraft would be used in place of 7 Regiment's helicopters where there is a task requirement".
Oh yeah. That'll be more tasks than "S" Lynx, I think.
 

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#11
When some clever buggers realise that pre-night flying recce flights will now have to be done with a Chinook, Merlin or whatever instead of with a Gazelle, and when GOC 2Div has to drive to Inverness in 6 hours instead of flying in 1, perhaps someone will think that this was not a particularly good idea.

It'll be too late by then, of course :)
 
#12
I've never posted here before, but the disbanding of 7 Regt (V) AAC has shocked me.

The news is almost a month old now, yet beyond threads like this one I'm dismayed by how little press or even general chit-chat this is generating. The AAC is losing an entire Regiment!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the recent role of 7 Regt (V) has been Homeland Security (plus other UK tasking)? It strikes me as worrying (and political dynamite) that such a valuable Homeland Security asset is being removed on cost grounds! In the current climate this is entirely contradictory!

Homeland Security includes assets for natural disasters and I can foresee a time when another Boscastle-type incident occurs (or larger) and the call goes out "where are the helicopters?" (or at least, "where are the helicopters to back-fill tasks and keep things ticking over whilst other helicopters deal with the big emergency"?)

I believe there is no such thing as "too many helicopters". In this world we should at least be maintaining numbers. Some may disagree tho?!

To some (small) degree I can understand the cost implications of re-training the aircrew... but then wouldn't it have been a relatively seamless transition from Gazelle to, say, EC-135 or similar?? We're not talking LOH to AH here. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

This brings me onto my next point... I'm can't help but think this has far more to do with Project Stockwell and closing airfields than anything else. I'm amazed by how little noise is coming from Project Stockwell (am I being naive? Is it even still alive?). The cynic in me thinks that by cutting 7 Regt (V) the need for Stockwell has been dramatically reduced...

Likewise, by cutting 7 Regt (V) Netheravon is no longer needed (will military flying cease there for the first time ever, one of the oldest airfields in the land??!) and the AAC can pull out of RAF Leuchars and RAF Shawbury. The former means the AAC will no longer have a presence north of the border. The latter is a pity, as I reckon it was good to have an AAC presence there besides DHFS. Fewer bases make for big savings...

I can only hope that some kind of TA presence (groundcrew and/or aircrew) will be preserved by a move to Middle Wallop, even if just Squadron or Flight strength? Does anyone know if this is on the cards? At the very least some kind of AH groundcrew support could be maintained alongside 673 Sqn, rather like the 6 Regt (V) role.
 
#15
bumpkin1 said:
I'm pretty sure I heard that 6 Regiment are opening another groundcrew squadron at Wallop soon...
Can anyone from 6 Regt (V) confirm this?

If you hear any more about this Bumpkin1 please post it here, we'd be very grateful...
 
#16
radarboy said:
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but the recent role of 7 Regt (V) has been Homeland Security (plus other UK tasking)? It strikes me as worrying (and political dynamite) that such a valuable Homeland Security asset is being removed on cost grounds! In the current climate this is entirely contradictory!

Homeland Security includes assets for natural disasters and I can foresee a time when another Boscastle-type incident occurs (or larger) and the call goes out "where are the helicopters?" (or at least, "where are the helicopters to back-fill tasks and keep things ticking over whilst other helicopters deal with the big emergency"?)

I believe there is no such thing as "too many helicopters". In this world we should at least be maintaining numbers. Some may disagree tho?!
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1. Its not called homeland security; its UK Operations.

2. One of the "battlewinning" military elements at the Gloucester floods last year was the 7 Regt gazelle and the ability to put every one who needed to over the affected areas. BT used it to assess what towers they could get to and get back into action.
Absolutely critical Gold asset with no contractual issues as might be found with a pure civvy replacement. Civpol heli was rather busy with its own taskings.

3. Boscastle was a heavy lift request for chinook. Always will be a regular RAF asset, it was also a small enough area that Civpol asset didn't need supplementing.

4. UKSAR is however another matter (both used at Glos and Boscastle)- UKSAR assets (both RN and Navy) have a potential UK wide remit, land and sea. The empire building by the Maritime and Coastal Agency alluded to here, which is not being fought by DfT and the MOD, but regarded by the light/dark blue jobs with extreme scepticism will potentially impact heavily on this. A contract has been signed for Sikorsy S92s and AW 139s contracted through Bristow's and CHC and this is likely to continue. Given all of Ireland's SAR is done by CHC, the writing is on the wall for RAF/RN SAR.

That is a capability under threat that flies the whole time. What chance does a volunteer aviation regiment stand against those sort of cost saving approaches?
 
#17
without naming names that came from 6 Regiment. I think the hope is that some serving members of 7 Regiment will take the leap over to 6 Regiment albeit in an apache groundcrew role rather than a flying role.
 
#20
radarboy said:
catterick_commando said:
Is 7 Regt going though?
Are you hinting that it may not be certain???
i don't think this is set in stone yet. i think the headshed were concerned about it going. but watch this space.

is it true though, that 6 Regt are forming a sqn in Middle Wallop???
 

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