AAC only at 83% pilot strength

#1
According to this article

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=8764

The Army had the largest shortfall of helicopter pilots in terms of percentage of total strength. It only met 83 per cent of its total strength. The RAF had 86 per cent of its required helicopter crew strength while the Royal Navy is nearly at full strength with 94 per cent of its crew requirement met.
Why the shortages? There is no shortage of volonteers for AAC. So are just not enough making it through training? Or is retention the problem? Or are the current figures just a temporary blip caused by the long lead times in the training programmes?
 
#3
You'll find that in the current climate that the RN and RAF Pilots that have stayed in the Service have only done so until Civil Aviation perks up. Watch the floodgates open later on.

What it doesn't mention is the amount of AAC Pilots that have transferred over to the RAF, so in one move the AAC loses one whilst the RAF gains one. It takes a long time to replace a frontline Pilot.
 
#7
Don't forget that the genius known as Thommo - he of banned ketchup from the mess in Dishforth fame - stated that the Army pilots didn't need a retention bonus that was given to the RAF and RN.

Result - no bonus for us and retention up the tubes - as predicted by ******* everyone.
 
#9
ChristopherRobin said:
Don't forget that the genius known as Thommo - he of banned ketchup from the mess in Dishforth fame - stated that the Army pilots didn't need a retention bonus that was given to the RAF and RN.

Result - no bonus for us and retention up the tubes - as predicted by * everyone.
I thought people like that went out with the Raj?

P-T
 
#11
PoisonDwarf said:
What we need is more royals. They seem to get accepted for pilot training straight away.

Nope, what we actually need is more NCOs applying for pilot training. Huge amounts of people outside the Corps do not know that they, as NCOs can apply. We had a massive drive a few years ago to recruit a large amount of AAC DE Officers to fill Apache but most of those have taken the option to either bang out or go elsewhere due to having a rather abbreviated flying career or generally being disillusioned with life. The net result is the shortfall of pilots is within the SNCO fraternity.

The Corps is trying to address the balance of our over-manned LE plot by reducing the numbers who get LE commission. Along with that, we are recruiting DE ground officers straight from RMAS. To 'pay' for that, we are reducing the number of DE aircrew officer slots at RMAS.

As usual, the Corps failed to realise that the core element of SMEs is within the SNCOs (long flying career of 15+ years). The management of SNCO aircrew has been fucking appalling over the past few years hence why we are undermanned. Contributing factors being a disgraceful amount of apathy when it came to fighting for flying pay due to JPA introduction, refusal to give out continuance or extensions, an arrogant expectation that SNCOs will do it for the 'love of the job'* and a manning policy that would make the Nazis treatment of the jews look fucking awesome.

This is now biting the Corps in the arse and there is no quick fix. Apache crews are burning themselves out with continuous deployments. On their down time, they have to do PDT for other units about to deploy and this has meant that the blokes are drained. Quite a few are voting with their feet and banging out. The Corps seems to think that in times of recession, people are reluctant to leave. Not true. Aviation jobs are still aplenty in civ-div. QHI numbers are at an all time low with various incentives to attract people to the job not really working.

Don't get me wrong, we still have plenty of people going through the pilots course but the issue is retaining experience. That is where the 17% is missing. We have OCs and even COs who have less than 500 hours (there are even QHIs in that bracket too).

NCOs. Bang your papers in. We need you and you dont know if you can do it unless you try. ;)


*A senior AAC officer was heard to say 'SNCOs should feel privileged that we allow them to fly Army aircraft. Some dont even have GCSE's!' 8O
 
#12
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
*A senior AAC officer was heard to say 'SNCOs should feel privileged that we allow them to fly Army aircraft. Some dont even have GCSE's!' 8O
One of the reasons I left when I could have stayed for another 15 years.
That cunt Thomo was another, but it makes me feel so much better that I actually get paid more than he does now.

One day when some of these idiots are looking for jobs outside and they come near my company I will politely inform them that we only employ ex Junior and Senior NCOs.
 
#15
As a slight aside, the FAA has had awful manning problems over the last few years, particularly in the CHF. To give them credit they fight some for their people and have made real strides in addressing the problem.

They haven't had the huge numbers of transferees from the AAC that the RAF have had either, which in my view makes it even more impressive.

The utter unwillingness of AAC upper echelons to nurture their most valuable assets saw large numbers of DE pilots vote with their feet. It's almost amusing watching command try to stem this flood with the stick rather than the carrot so that during their next 2 year tenure in post it looks like they've solved the problem!

Out of my pilots course of 6, two have now left the AAC and one is short finals, this after only 4 years. It would have taken a perception of DAAVN giving a damn pay and conditions wise to have kept two of us!

Of course ironically/ cynically you could increase the numbers of SNCO pilots as they wouldn't be able to transfer as easily as Officer aircrew to other services!

It's a damn shame that the AAC is led by those from the 'old school', the kind who wonder why their asinine orders appear on the internet and try to ban people from using the internet!
 
#16
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
*A senior AAC officer was heard to say 'SNCOs should feel privileged that we allow them to fly Army aircraft. Some dont even have GCSE's!' 8O
What rank was Sam Drennan when he got the DFC?

What rank were the two recent MCs and DFCs ?

cocksliders like him make me want to go windmilling into middle wallop in my underpanmts, rubbed down in lurpak and force myself on everyone in the same building as that cnut!
 
#17
Mighty_doh_nut said:
What rank was Sam Drennan when he got the DFC?
He was actually a Captain but we know what your getting at :D

Best ten years of my life were spent as an NCO pilot. I was always surprised at the reluctance of soldiers to apply for training, I think it was a fear of failure and having to go back to their parent unit with their tail between their legs. I used to tell them that the worst that could happen would be that they'd end up doing the job that they were doing before they applied.

Come on guys - get your papers in!

Beefy
 
#18
This is interesting, If this is still true, can anybody explain to me why I have been told that the AAC's next Recruitment date is Jan 2010? i'l also add that that is just as an AAC Solider.

and dose anybody believe that date is true or am i being shepherded into a different job?



P.S. i haven't read all post so sorry if this topic is dated or changes since the first one.
 
#19
Neil

You havent given us enough information, are you talking about an entry as a junior soldier at the foundation college or as an adult?

I would suggest that in each case the likelihood be diferent that there are no places left at the moment. All of that aside the shortage in Aircrew does not affect recruiting in either soldiers or officers.
 
#20
Christopher, as you know Thommo is my favourite person in the whole wide world so i'm personally very disappointed you failed to mention:

a. inspecting the fruit and veg shop in b'bridge
b. demanding a hair cut in front of everyone else in the civvie barbers
c. having command troop take "carpet" with them on exercise

you have also failed to mention his heroics in single handle handedly wrecking a perfectly good corps.

and NO, it wasn't me that turned him in for the ketchup story, i would NEVER do that.

gawd bless'im
 

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