A400M

Para programme on telly was interesting

All them paratroops sternly ignoring all them shiney new A400M's and clambering into big C-17's and clapped old C-130's
 
The advantage of the herc or any other non-airbus lifter at low level is the lack of g limits - You can over stress and g load the wings if you need to get out of dodge. Can't remember what the chaps at Brize Norton said but the g limit on the a400 isn't much more than the civilian frames at 2g dirty and 2.5g clean.

Thats what happens when a civil airline maker uses their existing airliner FCS for a combat aircraft.

Triple A! Hard left!
Computer say no…
 
Isn’t the C17 production line shut?

Wasn't then and there were some white tails kicking about.

10 C-17 and 25 C-130J was the aim

Now?

8 C-17, 22 instead of 25 A400M's and we still have to keep the C-130's to do all the jobs the A400M will never be able to do.
 
Given the original Plan was 25 A400 and 25 C130

The fact were operating a mixed C130 A400 Fleet is hardly a revelation

In fact it could be argued its the C17 that's not needed and an extra type what with it being a temporary stop gap owing to a400 delays.

Im sure many wanted a final fleet for a dozen C17s and a few dozen hercs - but since the A400 was committed to a long time before the C17s were hired its something of a moot point.

To call such hopes an aspiration is probably a tad bold as well.
 
Given the original Plan was 25 A400 and 25 C130

The fact were operating a mixed C130 A400 Fleet is hardly a revelation

In fact it could be argued its the C17 that's not needed and an extra type what with it being a temporary stop gap owing to a400 delays.

Im sure many wanted a final fleet for a dozen C17s and a few dozen hercs - but since the A400 was committed to a long time before the C17s were hired its something of a moot point.

To call such hopes an aspiration is probably a tad bold as well.

RAF wanted the A400 kicked into the long grass when they found how good the C-17 was.
 
RAF wanted the A400 kicked into the long grass when they found how good the C-17 was.
That's as maybe - but the commitment to A400 was already made

Its no revelation that when C17 was bought (not leased ) and a few more added that every man and his dog was yelling a few more C17s and buy a few more Js to replace retiring Ks.

But fantasy fleets by individuals may not reflect - requirements, plans and funding based in reality
 
That's as maybe - but the commitment to A400 was already made

Its no revelation that when C17 was bought (not leased ) and a few more added that every man and his dog was yelling a few more C17s and buy a few more Js to replace retiring Ks.

But fantasy fleets by individuals may not reflect - requirements, plans and funding based in reality

Except the RAF even got as far all allocating tail codes

Still, hey ho, total cli=uster of an AT fleet now.

1 becomes 2 and has now become 3 types, one of which can not and never will be able to do half the tasks it was supposed to do.

The A400M will be the next Belfast.
 
It appears that Spain is trying to give 6 x A400Ms to South Korea in exchange for 30 x KT-1 turboprop and 20 x T-50 advanced trainers. This will of course further degrade any limited chance Airbus had for further production of the A400M.

Spain ordered 27 x A400Ms but wants to dispense with 13 of them. meanwhile, the KT-1s...

...and T-50s will significantly modernise their training system.


Regards,
MM
Good luck to the Spanish with that!

The Koreans are nobody's mugs and will drive a pretty hard bargain, given how desperate the Spanish are to avoid paying for the 13 or so A400s they over-ordered.
 
Good luck to the Spanish with that!

The Koreans are nobody's mugs and will drive a pretty hard bargain, given how desperate the Spanish are to avoid paying for the 13 or so A400s they over-ordered.
Well, the Koreans are driving around a dozen approaching 30 year old C-130H ( plus 6 Js), so there's not really a requirement for the RoKAF to take on a large transport type.

The Koreans do not have overseas commitments, so long trips out of the country are thin on the ground, further undermining the requirement for a A400 type transport.

Egypt was being mooted as a customer, the ARE AF having a couple of dozen C-130H, many of which are over 40 years old. But that one has gone quiet as of late.
 
...The Koreans do not have overseas commitments, so long trips out of the country are thin on the ground, further undermining the requirement for a A400 type transport...
In fairness, the RoK are a fairly major contributor to UN ops such as UNIFIL in Lebanon, coalition ops such as OIF in Iraq and the former Soviet Republics, and major exercises in Australia and the US.

It's all gone a tad quiet on Egypt's interest in the A400M which was probably being driven by France as an adjunct to the Rafale and Mistral exports. The only other possible export nation was NZ which must be due to announce its choice soon. My prediction however is that they'll go for KC-390 or C-130J.

However, I assume that even if either buys A400M, they'll be unwanted German or Spanish airframes rather than new-builds.

Regards,
MM
 
Once more Scarebus muttering about some sales this year, (its always ‘this year’) meanwhile, Boeing are putting their full commercial weight behind pitching the KC-390 on the world market.
 
@RCT(V), it's not that the aircraft is without use. The issue is that it's not much use for some of the things we were told we'd be using it for.

The establishment of the German/French joint squadron of C-130s is rather telling on that front.
 
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