A2 / OPMI2..

#1
After leaving depot, what would you say it average length of time before chasing up the A2 course?  I am led to believe around 18 mths to 2 years, but some people say longer?  Any ideas?  ???
 
#2
a. Don't know, after my time :)

b. How was the Op MI course? I was a transferee Op SI (L) and just changed cap badges, had the languages and relevant experience, was worried about the new trade being neither fish nor fowl.
 
#3
Dunno.. ??? I was the last squad that was still separate trades!  But I think I have do do a conversion on the OPMI2. :(
 
#4
Doesn't matter to you Davros, the A2 is only relevant to people who might get promoted one day!

No hard feelings mate  :)
 
#5
Ouch! Do I detect someone that may know me? I reckon so! ;D
 
#6
We all know you Davros. We love you and want to have your little black babies.
 
#7
Just thought I'd dig this up because it was the oldest thread I could find! On a more serious note, who's for binning the stupid workbook and bringing back a proper* class 2 course?

* by proper, I mean one that involves a lot of alcohol!
 
#8
At least the course included the forum.

Now us youngsters have absolutely no idea the breadth of jobs available within the Corps.

OPINT to CI to OPINT to CI to OPINT.....
 
#9
Dontdreamit said:
At least the course included the forum.

Now us youngsters have absolutely no idea the breadth of jobs available within the Corps.

OPINT to CI to OPINT to CI to OPINT.....
read Cognitio? talk to your seniors?
 
#10
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
Dontdreamit said:
At least the course included the forum.

Now us youngsters have absolutely no idea the breadth of jobs available within the Corps.

OPINT to CI to OPINT to CI to OPINT.....
read Cognitio? talk to your seniors?
That's too difficult. They like to be spoon fed nowadays.
 
#11
Dont be a pair of d1cks.

The forum was a valuable tool for JNCO's to see the career options available and take steps towards ahieving that goal.

Cognitio is hardly a substitute.

As for ask the seniors - what a great idea, I wonder why no one has thought of it before? F"ck it - let's just apply that solution for everything.

Do away with the A3 course as well, no more need for defence writing or CLM either cause CR from ARRSE managed to figure it allllllllllll out.

'Ask the seniors'. Genius. You should be Field Marshal someday.

'Sir, what is a T80?'
'Staff, what is IMINT / OSINT / ELINT / EW / HUMINT?'
'Sgt, How do I do ALL of the above?'
'Sir what is the correct use of an apostrophe?'
'Sir, which areas of this report need bold / underlining / italics / spellchecked?'
'Staff, why are you still a staffy after all these years when all your peers are badged??'

Actually ignore the last one... I think I can figure it out by myself.
 
#12
Dontdreamit said:
sob blubber sniff
facking hell, somebody's tired. did mummy take away your Farley's rusks or something?!?! :)

the principal reason the A2 course got binned was 90% of it was spent re-teaching whining mongs like you the stuff you couldn't remember from your A3. ;)

if you really can't figure out how to apply "ask your seniors" in the real world then maybe you should transfer to the RMP. many, many people have done lots of different things inside and outside the corps, without ever being spoonfed it on a "forum".

but hey, don't let your laziness and lack of initiative get in the way of a good bite. :D
 
#13
Legoman said:
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
Dontdreamit said:
At least the course included the forum.

Now us youngsters have absolutely no idea the breadth of jobs available within the Corps.

OPINT to CI to OPINT to CI to OPINT.....
read Cognitio? talk to your seniors?
That's too difficult. They like to be spoon fed nowadays.
Cant too much SIPE stuff to do! :wink:
 
#14
Legoman said:
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
Dontdreamit said:
At least the course included the forum.

Now us youngsters have absolutely no idea the breadth of jobs available within the Corps.

OPINT to CI to OPINT to CI to OPINT.....
read Cognitio? talk to your seniors?
That's too difficult. They like to be spoon fed nowadays.
And that is precisely the reason why this "single trade" is stovepiped into its individual specialisations; because certain of the Seniors either:

Are not aware of, or do not acknowledge other disciplines within the trade, and do not encourage those in their charge to pursue other courses, or

Refuse to guide their JNCOs as they should, and proliferate this "Sigint / Sy / IA / etc. was good enough for me, why should these want to do anything else?" mentality.

"Cognitio" is hardly the default solution to informed career management, and the "ask your Seniors" default relies on the quality of the SNCO.

Or maybe DDI's observation on the value of the Forum was a valid point and we should listen? - discuss.
 
#16
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
deerhunter said:
Or maybe DDI's observation on the value of the Forum was a valid point and we should listen? - discuss.
i think the SLR was brilliant. of course it's gone now, but we can discuss it if you like :)
I know, and now all he has is the guidance of the likes of your good self for career matters and SD and the like.

I can see he's in safe hands. :)
 
#17
deerhunter said:
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
deerhunter said:
Or maybe DDI's observation on the value of the Forum was a valid point and we should listen? - discuss.
i think the SLR was brilliant. of course it's gone now, but we can discuss it if you like :)
I know, and now all he has is the guidance of the likes of your good self for career matters and SD and the like.

I can see he's in safe hands. :)
fine, we'll discuss it. my answer is quite simple - put the forum at the end of the A3 instead.

happy now, you miserable old git? :)
 
#18
Whining mong?

I am neither Sir.

But I am missing a teddy bear...... sure it landed around the pram wheels somewhere....

Anyway. Plenty of people have accomplished lots of deeds without being 'spoonfed' information but that does not mean the forum is/was not valuable.

If it ever arises again maybe you could be a guest speaker?

You could hand out signed copies of 'How to Make Friends and Influence People', or failing that, throw rusks at members of the audience who have the audacity to ask you a question. If one of the little upstarts persists with his annoying quest for career advice be sure to AGAI the little sh1t for his blatant over enthusiasm. Then regale him with tales about how you used to fly around in Vauxhall Senator chasing spies from SOXMIS and how the Corps is not what it used to be.

Back then you did security inspections of the Brandenburg Gate carrying nothing but shoulder holstered Browning (1 in the chamber) and set of sideburns that would rival Sean Penn from Carlitos Way.

Casually offer the youngester a smoke and then, brushing away the blue tinted haze, your eyes lit only by the glowing embers of the tab, tell him with a menacing growl.

'Brecon Security Section - that's where the action is. Like Hot Fuzz but more guns.'

Walk into the shadows and don't look back.

Job Done.
 
#19
It does seem to me that there is a sort of contradiction in the single trade - on the one hand, it certainly does give the individual Corps member a far greater selection of things he/she can do - on the other, there are disciplines and specialisations which actually need long-term and high-quality people spending years on doing them in order to become productive, which includes laying the foundations for later expertise by doing related work within that discipline as a junior.

I have no idea what the solution is, but I sense that the balance has still not been properly struck - on the one hand, things are not great for the individual young Corps member who might be keen to do one thing or another, on the other, I detect some feeling that skills have become eroded, either through lack of practice, or, even, to my amazement, by handing them over to another Corps to do.

Perhaps the Directorate should take another long hard look at what the Corps is actually for and think in terms of configuring both the manning plot, the training regime and the deployed Corps organisation to fit. The tempo of the last few years and the constant need to back fill and double hat posts various has no doubt led to a great deal of organisational fatigue and the peculiar way that the Commanding Officers to a great extent find themselves commanding organisations constantly - what, 25%? More? - understrength through operational commitments must also have their effects, not least on the COs and badges who are keen to leave their mark and find that their control over their assets is not 100%.
 
#20
Dontdreamit said:
or failing that, throw rusks at members of the audience who have the audacity to ask you a question.
wow, you obviously know my attitude to questions so well :) sure opint&spy will back you up on that one.

'Brecon Security Section - that's where the action is. Like Hot Fuzz but more guns.'
*yawn* i think i remember you from brawdy. were you the inbred-looking one who used to give out passes? :roll:
 

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