A1s for ACF?

What set up do you think we should get if we got the A1s?

  • Without gas parts

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  • With gas parts (Auto)

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  • With gas parts (Only single shot)

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#2
auto to stop the little cretins waving them around at each other (or more inportantly at me or you) evey time they have to cock them.

Single Shot so that if they do pull the trigger at the wrong time it will only be one round.
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#3
bare in mind that these 'little cretins' will have to clean the gas parts. Given the state of their GPs I expect all cadets to be gas-stoppage-ninjas after their first couple of exercised.
 
#5
Tango34_UK said:
Gas parts, so we can teach a good version of Section Attacks, then they "might" be more usefull when / if they join up
How difficult is it to learn how to use an A1 when already used to the GP? Just a couple of lessons and an exercise?? Thats what it took me when I was in the CCF.
And how do you mean teach a good version of section attacks? You can still get a damn good rate of fire out of a GP if given the ammo, trouble is I remember we were only given around 10 rounds each. If they have A1s they will get stoppages all over the shop.
 
#6
None of em, judging by the way they are stored at some ccf units!!!

One unit I saw (RAF Cadets mind) stored their weapons in what was in all intents and purpose a cupboard ffs! 8O Plus the building was only 20mtrs from a main road and a layby at that. And the nearest motorway was only 5 mins hard drive...

(Opsec point:- Chavs... don't ask for the address, you aint getting it!)

Given secure storage at either a Reg or TA base then I can see no reason why they can't have the Auto version, you can always take the gas bits out. and use like that if needed. But some thought needs to be placed on weapon security during use on excercise etce.
 
#7
snapper said:
you can always take the gas bits out. and use like that if needed
I really can't see the point of giving them an A1 without gas parts. It's basically a GP then, with a much smaller cocking handle. Much more difficult to use than a GP, but perhaps 20 seconds quicker to clean as you don't have a slide, etc.
 
#8
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO gas parts please noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The lose the big bits now, let alone any fiddly bits

*3 and above only pleeeaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
#9
The "ACF will get A1's" rumour has got to be the best propagated and believed one yet! Ha ha

Hell will freeze over before you get them!

(Sorry just being pragmatic)
 
#11
Beats me why cadets need A1's gas parts or otherwise

I'm sure more fun can be had with paintball equipment and at least you can see who you shoot










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#12
After attending several ACF exercises as Staff, I reckon that until the little horrors stop waving their GP's about and having ND's all over the shop they should only be given potato guns!
 
#13
Are there any ACF in the docklands area? If yes, then spud guns all round, I like my floor to ceiling windows.

It is bad enough waking up to the fish heads shouting all over the place on a Sun morning, after I have had a night on the urine!!
 
#14
One thing that comes to mind is that if they got A1s with BFAs the safty may be better and maybe the min blank firing distance could be reduced from the current 50m. Maybe if it was decressed significantly this may mean the make safe rule before movmenet is revised. If they did continue making safe then every time they would be a fresh ejected round... could mean slower make safe drills if not.

Didn't know they are upgrading A1s to A2s.

ACF isn't insured by the MOD for paintball activites.
 
#15
Lance_Comical said:
All A1 Rifle's are being converted to A2 standard

Don't think ACF/CCF/ATC are gonna be getting any of those!
And even if they weren't, we'd sell them to some dubious government after sending a training/advisory team in to recreat their armoury.
 
#16
sasyboy said:
One thing that comes to mind is that if they got A1s with BFAs the safty may be better and maybe the min blank firing distance could be reduced from the current 50m. Maybe if it was decressed significantly this may mean the make safe rule before movmenet is revised. If they did continue making safe then every time they would be a fresh ejected round... could mean slower make safe drills if not.

Didn't know they are upgrading A1s to A2s.

ACF isn't insured by the MOD for paintball activites.
The 50m rule applies to all the armed forces - the only difference is that you can trust soldiers not to aim at other people. Cadets, you cant.
 
#17
Paintball will be coming in more and more I am sure, Our County has recently purchased paintball equipment for Annual camp and it is covered by the insurance as long as all the Risk Assessments etc are in order.

Cadets do enjoy paintball, but as a side attraction to going in the field and doing the 'war stuff' they joined for. A lot harder to achieve with paintball.

New rifles with the gas parts (modified with no automatic fire) will be a vast improvement on what is around now.
 
#18
"A1"
I am guesing that you are talking about the L97 A1
As the cadets already have the L98 A1 Cadet GP

Why bother having the shyty SA80 asit is balls conpaired to our current bolt action. It is also heaver with and with out rounds.

Quick question (Please PM te answer)
What is the maximim weight that a cadet should carry?
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#19
Driller, it's the L85A1. SA80 if you prefer. Since I'm posting this I'll answer the second part of your question, I don't know if there are specific rules for what cadets can carry but the Duke of Edinburgh Awards guidelines used to recommend no more than 1/3 body weight.
 
#20
For the umpteenth time...

THE ACF WILL NOT GET SA80 beacuse:

any redundant L85A1s are being converted by H&K to L85A2 standard.

Plus Cadets do a poor job of cleaning their own weapons... this isn't due to lazyness more attention span.

Apply this theory to a weapon with gas parts and I forsee stoppage hell which further proves the case.

If someone can produce an official document detailing the plans for a complete rollout of L85A1 to ACF units I'll give you £20.

The rumour mill is a wondrous thing. It appears to have got the entire ACF hooked on this bunkum.
 
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