A year to fill...

#1
I have a year to fill as I managed to fail my RCB. I take some comfort in that I was "very much on the borderline" and have been encouraged to return, although it's somewhat frustrating.

Based on my report my sponsor had little to recommend specifically. What I'd like to ask the learned chaps on here is what could I do that will make best use of that time? I'm intending to get involved on a Raleigh International expedition and am considering taking up a management position at my place of work. I've also got plans to work on other areas highlighted on my report (i.e. my perceived 'raffishness' and "lack of finesse" could probably be corrected through removing my Essex/East end accent and becoming more cultured). Are there any other ideas anyone could suggest?

Thanks!
 
#2
Maverick00 said:
(i.e. my perceived 'raffishness' and "lack of finesse" could probably be corrected through removing my Essex/East end accent and becoming more cultured). Are there any other ideas anyone could suggest?

Thanks!
Maverick,

You can be cultured without trying to adopt an accent that isnt part of you. By all means, get out into the world, get some life experience and improve yourself. Removing an accent wont do this for you.

If your under the impression that a regional accent will hinder you, i believe you are wrong. Its part of who you are, be proud of it.

Boney, From Essex
 
#3
It certainly isn't an accent ! I passed it with a lovely lilting Welsh accent.

Or maybe it's because I gave them my rendition of "Calon Lan" and "Men of Harlech" during an impromptu moment during the command tasks.

8)
 
#4
Are you currently a member of the TA?
 
#5
Maverick00 said:
I've also got plans to work on other areas highlighted on my report (i.e. my perceived 'raffishness' and "lack of finesse" could probably be corrected through removing my Essex/East end accent and becoming more cultured).
one civilians view.....
Merely removing your dialect would not reduce your raffishness or lack of finesse...although learning to speaking the Queens English clearly is an distinct advantage when in leadership.
It's pretty important to work out EXACTLY what aspects of your behaviour were perceived to be lacking. It would be unfortunate indeed for you to work hard on losing certain traits if they were not even the ones percieved at fault and were in fact considered the good points!
As for becoming more cultured, this can only be a good thing!
Read widely, Experience an Opera, A ballet, A musical, A shakespeare, A classical concert.
Most importantly...and far more beneficial than merely altering your outward manners... engage with all manner of people and listen carefully to them and learn to see things from their perspective...help at a youth club for underprivileged kids, serve soup at a soup kitchen, read to blind old ladies at a nursing home.
And watch how older and wiser men that you respect interact and behave and ....copy them.
All the best son, don't waste the year .. and have a ball! :wink:
 
#6
hmm useful advice there Miffy. Thanks for that. Now shouldn't you be getting back to your basket weaving class.


Maverick for sensible answers pm me . Don't take the advice from a glue-sniffing weirdo like miffy. She has never attended RCB. Infact the closest she has come to the army is playing with an airfix model of a centurion tank when she was a pup.

Typical, started off as a sensible thread before it got hijacked by a walt troll.

Like I said pm me and I'll get back to you.

RRR
 
#7
miffy said:
one civilians view.....
Merely removing your dialect would not reduce your raffishness or lack of finesse...although learning to speaking the Queens English clearly is an distinct advantage when in leadership.
One, yes this is a civilians view on an Army site. So take it how you want!

Two, the above statement is total rubbish, i have never been in a situation where speaking correctly has ever helped with leadership. Leadership is a quality gained from experience and learning from people who have been leaders of men longer than yourself (All future subbies two words TROOP SERGEANT).

Three, Miffy i cannot understand why as a civilian you would quote what you assume are leadership qualities on a military site and not expect to be rubbished if you are wrong.

Rant over.

Mav, enjoy your year.

Enjoy your year mav
 
#8
I'm not a member of the TA but I did consider it. However, I was advised that they would not appreciate being used as a stepping stone to RCB, whilst my plans to travel would also clash with the time commitment required.

Regarding the accent, I appreciate your sentiments but I'm just considering solutions from every angle. I've even considered changing my job - I work in the health and fitness industry as an instructor, personal trainer and studio instructor. The qualities required in that kind of job may only exacerbate 'raffish' characteristics IMHO.

To help my practical problem solving ability I've enlisted help within the family on basic engineering principles - my confidence at practical problem solving could do with a slight boost. Also, working on community projects whilst travelling are targetted at helping this area.

This may all seem OTT but the fail came as quite a shock to me and I'm firmly set on passing with flying colours next time - I just need to make this year a busy and productive one!

I'd like to underline this all by saying I'm only young (just turned 22) and graduated from uni this summer so am still a pup! Plus, I have been advised that the determination shown to return after a year would stand me in good stead.
 
#9
GunnersQuadrant said:
Two, the above statement is total rubbish, i have never been in a situation where speaking correctly has ever helped with leadership
If you care to re read what I wrote I tried to make it clear that removing a dialect does not address reducing raffishness or a lack of finesse....but that learning to speak CLEARLY (not just correctly) is an advantage.
GunnersQuadrant said:
Leadership is a quality gained from experience and learning from people who have been leaders of men longer than yourself
And in the current absence of access to military leaders to observe I advised....
And watch how older and wiser men that you respect interact and behave and ....copy them.
Discernment is a gift/skill worth developing as well!! :roll:
 
#11
Maverick00 said:
I work in the health and fitness industry as an instructor, personal trainer and studio instructor. The qualities required in that kind of job may only exacerbate 'raffish' characteristics IMHO.

To help my practical problem solving ability I've enlisted help within the family on basic engineering principles - my confidence at practical problem solving could do with a slight boost. Also, working on community projects whilst travelling are targetted at helping this area.
Two very good confidence boosting areas to work on, I suspect you have it sussed although like the earlier posters (Miffy exempted) I would not worry about the accent.
I mean if Rat Rug can pass with his lovely lilting Welsh Accent it shouldn't be a problem. :wink:
 
#13
Well thats a resounding vote of confidence for the Essseeeexx accent! Do appreciate all the advice though, a thoroughly rapid response! Tombs, are you including the comment about the job as a good idea as well?

I think travelling/volunteer work seems to be the way forward alongside experiencing some of the more cultured activities life has to offer (aside from pissing money up a wall at every available opportunity...)
 
#14
Maverick00 said:
alongside experiencing some of the more cultured activities life has to offer (aside from pissing money up a wall at every available opportunity...)
We do other things apart from that in the army you know...... :D
 
#15
Maverick00 said:
Well thats a resounding vote of confidence for the Essseeeexx accent! Do appreciate all the advice though, a thoroughly rapid response! Tombs, are you including the comment about the job as a good idea as well?
Yes very much so, it can only improve your communications skills which it has to said are probably the most important thing you take to a RCB.

Working for a number of years now in a retail environment almost every cockup which occurs between the various companys I deal with is the result of bad comms.
 
#16
Maverick00 said:
I'd like to underline this all by saying I'm only young (just turned 22) and graduated from uni this summer so am still a pup! Plus, I have been advised that the determination shown to return after a year would stand me in good stead.
Purely out of curiosity, what did you read and where?
Regards,
Macks
 
#17
Read sport and exercise science at Loughborough Uni. I had intended on following a career in sport/exercise but after working in the industry from the age of 16 and studying the subject in depth i began to yearn for a career that was more challenging. Finding the best way for Mrs. Smith to lose her love handles after having 23 babies and eating 5 McDonalds a day for 20 yrs just doesnt do it for me...
 
#18
Fair enough! But you know there's sport and exercise in the Army right? :D
So the APTC is out then Mav?
 
#19
I love sport and exercise its the jobs the industry has to offer that doesnt appeal! As for the APTC - a) the role doesnt appeal to me compared to that of a young officer in the teeth arms and b) didnt think that the APTC was an option after Sandhurst? Thought it was more of a job you could get posted to at some stage later in your career?
 
#20
Maverick00 said:
Read sport and exercise science at Loughborough Uni.
Hi Mav,

Good effort on graduating from one of the finest educational establishments in the country, I did Human Psychology there, spent most of my life stuck in the lifts in Towers Hall however.

I must admit to not being totally sure what "Raffish" means, from my understanding of it, falsly changing your accent or even dialect will only increase that, and will land you in a world of hurt when you start shouting or getting excited and you naturally lapse back into your normal way of talking. You cant hide things like that, it happened to a lad from essex in my platoon at Sandhurst and the p**s taking was relentless.

I took a year out after uni and travelled for six months and worked for six months, as long as you do something useful rather than going on the dole or working at Burger King then it will be seen as you making an effort and will be looked upon favourably.

You will also want to start thinking about your choice of regiment, especially if you do feel that you wont fit in at some with your accent how it is now, sod them and go somewhere where that isn't so important. There are many very good infantry, non stuck up Cav and Tank regiments and Corps who don't necessarily subscribe to that way of thinking.

Stick at it mate, enjoy your year out and good luck with the forthcoming RCB.
 

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