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A waste of prison space?

#1
This in the Telegraph today:

Serial thief finally jailed after 207 offences laughs off her sentence as 'cushty' - Telegraph

Is it even worth sending this excuse of a human being to prison - it will clearly be a waste of time and money, simply providing her with bed and board at the taxpayer's expense, and freeing her to offend again on her release.

The numbers of people of this state of mind are growing - is there an alternative form of punishment to prison which would teach them the error of their ways?
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Simple - build more jails and introduce the 3 strikes rule - 3rd imprisonable offence means life. And life means life.

And for all those who bleat about the cost - is it any less expensive to keep these people in housing benefit and the dole?
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#3
I wonder if she has ever been given any sort of order to receive drug treatment? The more accessible drug treatment is the less crime they commit.
 
#6
"The numbers of people of this state of mind are growing - is there an alternative form of punishment to prison which would teach them the error of their ways? "

Que lots of moaning about bringing back hanging etc etc.

Harsh regimes don't seem to be a deterent (look at America) too be fair by the time someone goes to prison it's too late, prisons are rammed full of drug addicts and mental health cases.
 
#8
You miss the point.

As I have previously stated, if prison is not a deterrant, it is at least an obstacle. I couldn't really care less if the regime is harsh or not. While a scrote is in jail, he isn't nicking my car, is he?

So prison DOES work.

D_L
You just want to lock people up or stop them needed to be locked up? Prison suspends the problem.
 
#9
I will never forget the Scrote who tried to laugh of his sentence at the Magistrates and got it raised from three Months to two years before he realised it was being doubled every time he cracked a joke.
I think he quite when he sussed the next stop was over three years and would involve a trip to the Crown Court!

Now if he had sought my advice, instead of his brain dead mates in the gallery with me, I would have mentioned my Mother (AKA The Magistrate) was known to her loved ones, when I lived under the parental roof, as Attila the Hun for a reason.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#10
You just want to lock people up or stop them needed to be locked up? Prison suspends the problem.
Yes and so the prolific offenders are released almost on a rota basis, the crime rate soars, the police lock them up again and again and again. They are detoxed in prison, released, locked up, detoxed again and again and again. Long term methadone maintenance reduces crime, reduces drug use and some of them get jobs and pay taxes.
 
#11
Birch,Cat O Nine,Stocks,Gibbet,Solitary Confinement,Branding,Shackling,Nose Slitting,Hand Chopping,The Wrack,The Wheel,Iron Maiden,Taring and Feathering,,,,,,,The list is endless..
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
You just want to lock people up or stop them needed to be locked up? Prison suspends the problem.
Hence the 3 strikes rule - 2 opportunities to reform then away for life. Even if it's shoplifting a biro from Smiths. If you're too stupid to learn your lesson then you're a permenant threat to the law-abiding and should be removed from society.
 
#13
I wonder if she has ever been given any sort of order to receive drug treatment? The more accessible drug treatment is the less crime they commit.

Weren't they going to hand out free junk on the NHS in the 60's, but the Yanks put on huge pressure on the government to drop it?

It would make sense to me... buy direct from Afghan farmers and process it.

If you want to be a junkie, sign up, go to the local centre, fix up in front of a witness then stumble back home, without needing to steal or prostitute yourself.

It would also kill off the "glamour" of being an outlaw, making them look like the sad buggers they are.

It isn't the junk that kills per se, plus a programme could be implemented to get off, or stay a junkie if that's really what you want....
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#14
It may be more expensive to have someone in prison than to pay their benefits but that calculation does not take into account the costs of their ongoing criminal activity.
Guess what they continue to use drugs in prison, the drugs cost more, so they commit more crime or get others to commit crime and send money in. If the prisons have poor regimes with bored prisoners, then some people who weren't using drugs i've seen to start.
 
#15
This in the Telegraph today:

Serial thief finally jailed after 207 offences laughs off her sentence as 'cushty' - Telegraph

Is it even worth sending this excuse of a human being to prison - it will clearly be a waste of time and money, simply providing her with bed and board at the taxpayer's expense, and freeing her to offend again on her release.

The numbers of people of this state of mind are growing - is there an alternative form of punishment to prison which would teach them the error of their ways?
Pain is the best teacher, but no one wants to take his class. Singapore-style corporal punishment is worth trying. Persistent but "low level" offender? Take the skin of their back/arse and see if they feel like re-offending anytime soon.

Oh, and compulsory sterilization: we need some chlorine in the Gene Pool.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#16
Weren't they going to hand out free junk on the NHS in the 60's, but the Yanks put on huge pressure on the government to drop it?

It would make sense to me... buy direct from Afghan farmers and process it.

If you want to be a junkie, sign up, go to the local centre, fix up in front of a witness then stumble back home, without needing to steal or prostitute yourself.

It would also kill off the "glamour" of being an outlaw, making them look like the sad buggers they are.

It isn't the junk that kills per se, plus a programme could be implemented to get off, or stay a junkie if that's really what you want....
We grow enough opium poppies here in the UK we don't need foreign ones. The RIOTT trial was reasonably sucessful which was giving people supervised Diamorphine (Heroin) I'd prefer people on oral methadone rather than they continue injecting. I'm sure some would also do well on oral morphine but keep the diamorphine available for those who weren't doing well on the other preparations.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#17
Pain is the best teacher, but no one wants to take his class. Singapore-style corporal punishment is worth trying. Persistent but "low level" offender? Take the skin of their back/arse and see if they feel like re-offending anytime soon.

Oh, and compulsory sterilization: we need some chlorine in the Gene Pool.
I thought we'd been here before, why is there such levels of crime in singapore if it works? Why do people shoot people in america if they risk the death penalty?
 
#18
"The numbers of people of this state of mind are growing - is there an alternative form of punishment to prison which would teach them the error of their ways? "

Que lots of moaning about bringing back hanging etc etc.

Harsh regimes don't seem to be a deterent (look at America) too be fair by the time someone goes to prison it's too late, prisons are rammed full of drug addicts and mental health cases.
Mate, tell me again how you got out?
 
#19
Weren't they going to hand out free junk on the NHS in the 60's, but the Yanks put on huge pressure on the government to drop it?

It would make sense to me... buy direct from Afghan farmers and process it.

If you want to be a junkie, sign up, go to the local centre, fix up in front of a witness then stumble back home, without needing to steal or prostitute yourself.

It would also kill off the "glamour" of being an outlaw, making them look like the sad buggers they are.

It isn't the junk that kills per se, plus a programme could be implemented to get off, or stay a junkie if that's really what you want....

And where do we get the funds to pay for the drugs the NHS will then give away free? You may argue that it will save money in the long run, but you still have to find the money for the initial expense. And it has to be free; even if you charge junkies a fraction of what illegal drugs cost, they will still commit crimes in order to fund their lifestyle.

Lets be clear: I don't care about junkies. If you're pathetic enough to take illegal drugs, then take the consequences as well. Sorry, don't care what drove you to it; you knew the damn risks. So curing junkies is a nice bonus, but the main focus must be on stopping them from stealing etc from real people.
 

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