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A warning for those walters out there

#3
One of the firearms boards I'm on has a bit of a running gag on threads where the members have encountered such persons. The term is 'Space Shuttle Door Gunner'. And no, I can't tell you about it. It's classified.

Out of interest, is it illegal to claim to have a VC in the UK? It's not illegal to claim an MOH here, just illegal to wear it.

NTM
 
#4
What a weird tale. I must be more naive that I thought for although I can see that wearing some uniform, sticking oin a few medals, etc. is a good way of engaging in fraud (as did the woman in the Telegraph story and many of the Ealing comedy criminals) the ANZMI bit appeared to be aimed at those who could legitimately wear medals plonking toy store medals alongside as well as out and out frauds.

I assumed that walts were the same people who came into my gun club and used to have orgasms over photographs of whatever weapon they might see in a magazine lying around (never heard "Wow, look at that a Henry Martini action though ") - we knew they were destined to leave the club having never become members nor touched any of our toys. I thought walts just wanted soldering without commitment, training and action. We've had many in my Cadet service experience (PONTI is the usual designation) who have dpm down to the underpants, read everything and can set up a kill zone with trip and shellbursts five minutes after you arrive at a night ex. I have met people whose war stories conflicted with what I knew but have charitable never thought of out and out deceit - told you I was naive.

Obviously there's more to Walts that I ever realised, or probably still do!

P
 
#5
The bit I am most excited aboyt is the introduction of the "Stolen Valour Act" - it must be a massive problem over there for them to go to those lengths.

Although it is not illegal in the UK to wear medals and all that, the brass neck of someone to claim to be a VC if they are under 50 and not Johnson Beharry would defy belief!
 
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#7
barbs said:
The bit I am most excited aboyt is the introduction of the "Stolen Valour Act" - it must be a massive problem over there for them to go to those lengths.

Although it is not illegal in the UK to wear medals and all that, the brass neck of someone to claim to be a VC if they are under 50 and not Johnson Beharry would defy belief!
But I'll bet some bugger has considered it.
 
#8
It might be reasonable to have a 'Stolen Valour Act' type of legislation here in the UK to protect the reputation of those who has served in uniform from walts.
There are one or two of them who make serving and ex-service personnel look bad. IMHO :lol:

fastmedic
 
#9
From that news story.
Noting that the "captain" failed to snap to attention for the Marine Corps hymn, the FBI man took the marine, Walter Carlson, aside and asked if he minded talking about his military service.
Was it really because he didn't get his heels together or was it the name that first roused his suspicion? :D
 
#10
i quite like the bit about her just popping to the iraq for the weekend after class on thursday afternoons. This started to arouse the suspiscions of the campus police chief, obviously a switched on lad :p
 
#11
I spoke to my brother on the phone a few weeks ago and he said he had never seen so many SAS and Commando berets on last years armistise parade in Sussex, he said just looking at their "bearing" made him wonder how many of them were Walting it.
Bloody sad!
 
#12
Will this be retrospective?

What about a certain walt who claimed to be on duty with the Texas Air National Guard when he wasn't? :twisted:
 
#14
Padre said:
What a weird tale. I must be more naive that I thought for although I can see that wearing some uniform, sticking oin a few medals, etc. is a good way of engaging in fraud (as did the woman in the Telegraph story and many of the Ealing comedy criminals) the ANZMI bit appeared to be aimed at those who could legitimately wear medals plonking toy store medals alongside as well as out and out frauds.

I assumed that walts were the same people who came into my gun club and used to have orgasms over photographs of whatever weapon they might see in a magazine lying around (never heard "Wow, look at that a Henry Martini action though ") - we knew they were destined to leave the club having never become members nor touched any of our toys. I thought walts just wanted soldering without commitment, training and action. We've had many in my Cadet service experience (PONTI is the usual designation) who have dpm down to the underpants, read everything and can set up a kill zone with trip and shellbursts five minutes after you arrive at a night ex. I have met people whose war stories conflicted with what I knew but have charitable never thought of out and out deceit - told you I was naive.

Obviously there's more to Walts that I ever realised, or probably still do!

P
unfortunately there are a few in my Gun club but not as bad as that, lol, it is an observation i have is that , those who have worn the green kits , ie Me, a few others current and ex serving NEVER seem to wear DPM como gear on the range, whereas those who never did wear DPMs even one got an SAS wing on his jacket,
plenty of rolled eyes about :roll: they are generally harmless and seemed friendly enough just a little naive if you ask me.
 
#15
But of course, with the gun club you either have to come in bearing a 102 and an introduction from former club or be known by members (especially committee members) to get in. Even then you would never just turn up and shoot as there would be there'd be range safety, local instruction regarding common practices and more beside. Only get to play if it was an inter-club thing and that would be pre-arranged.

The problem with Waltdom is that that people talk a good game because they've read McNab and other manuals of soldiering. A few paperbacks under the belt and 'standby, standby', LUP's, Gimpies and the like are part of the lingua franca. There's no test other than grilling and even then some sound so very convincing to a know nothing like me (but I'm learning!.

My local newsagent has 'soldier' magazine on the shelf. I asked him if it sold and he reckons he sells about six or seven a month. When the last one came out about three weeks a go, a young (fat) bloke came in with Lowas, S95 and the like and got one from behind the counter where it was saved for him. I assumed that he must be part of the ATR locally and was amazed to find this week that he works for the council as a gravedigger with parks and leisure. He even drives a Land Rover. Now to the ordinary bod on the street he's part of the Army and therefore what he does is judged on that basis.

Now don't know what sort of game he can talk (only met one and he alluded to having to leave after being injured somewhere he couldn't speak of - wasn't sure of that was a location or place on his body he appered to be speaking from) but doubtless Silvermans and others make a fortune out of him. Shame really, could get it for free a couple of miles away and get paid to wear it.
 
#16
I seem to recall from hazy memories of incomplete OSPRE study we do have an offence that covers the wearing of medals and decorations by persons not entitled (Perhaps a still serving cop could give more info)

As with most "new" criminal issues we do have existing generalist legislation that is applicable-

A lot of these people commit fraud offences.

A nice handy arrestable offence.
 
#17
I understand that the wearing of army uniform without being part of a recognised military unit is illegal in Holland. In fact I was told that this even extends to civillians who take part in the Nijmegen marches.

Pity we can't have an ID card that confirms past membership of the British forces. That might stop some of this.

I do know that our local Legion branch gets the odd person coming in wearing dpm claiming they've served and are in need of some financial support but the old guys usually see through them and boot them out. That said, some move around the country doing well - but this isn't waltdom, it's fraud!

P

Perhaps this is a niche market for ARRSE - a 'I have served' card? Bit like the RU >18 card the kids have in this area.
 
#18
Padre said:
I understand that the wearing of army uniform without being part of a recognised military unit is illegal in Holland.
We have the 1936 Public Order act which was designed to stop Blackshirt marches through predominantly Jewish areas in East London. That is to say, our legislative ban on wearing uniforms in the UK is based around political groups not wearing uniforms of any kind.

Anybody can buy a crisp new set of 95's from Silverman's, sew on some warry wings/ daggers whatever and wander around in them perfectly legally. And let's face it, they do.

The best weapon against walts is withering contempt for their stupidity, apart from the few who are probably genuinely in need of some sort of help.
 
#19
Steven said:
From that news story.
Noting that the "captain" failed to snap to attention for the Marine Corps hymn, the FBI man took the marine, Walter Carlson, aside and asked if he minded talking about his military service.
Was it really because he didn't get his heels together or was it the name that first roused his suspicion? :D
Can't believe he was called 'Walter': You couldn't make it up :lol:
 
#20
Anybody can buy a crisp new set of 95's from Silverman's, sew on some warry wings/ daggers whatever and wander around in them perfectly legally. And let's face it, they do.
True as a start point, but it would depend what they do with that uniform.
The examples given of dpm clad walters trying for legion aid is as clear cut an attempted fraud as you are likely to get.

We need some complaining parties to bring this issue out.
 

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