"A small island no-one pays attention to."

The UK is

  • an important and independent decision maker on the Worls stage

    Votes: 23 15.6%
  • a faithfull US ally but not a servant and can elaborate own decisions

    Votes: 40 27.2%
  • merely 51st state of the USA and British leaders blindly follow orders from Washington

    Votes: 18 12.2%
  • a small island no-one pays attention to

    Votes: 66 44.9%

  • Total voters
    147
#1
BBC News - "A small island no-one pays attention to."

Thus, a Russian spokesman described Britain in the days before David Cameron travelled to St. Petersburg for the G20 summit.

After the BBC first reported this yesterday, President Putin's press secretary and close adviser Dmitri Peskov insisted that "it is definitely not something I have said". He went on to add that Mr Putin had good relations with David Cameron.

Number 10 seem unconvinced. A spokesman said: "I'm sure the Russians will want to clarify these reported remarks."

They went on to claim that the G20 agenda reflected "a very British agenda" and "highlighted how a small island with great people can achieve a big footprint in the world."

It is clear that beneath the smiles and handshakes at this summit the tensions lie not far below the surface.
However, how do you estimate the role of the UK in the modern international political landscape?

PS. From my point of view Russia under Putin's rule is a huge country no-one pays attention to.
 

chrisg46

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#3
(whisper ON) no one answer, see if he gets it... (whisper OFF)
 
#5
The UK's position? More influential than we probably deserve, even given the PSC membership.

The Russian (well, Putinist) position? Desperately hankering after the days when there were a whole cabal of Soviet vassal states.
 
#6
Russia is like a little dog barking furiously trying to convince itself its a big dog.
I would like to add - the little dog (Russia) rather tries to bark without any effect just because her barking is not heard by anybody.
 
#7
Does it matter?

Time we started behaving like a little country that no-one pays attention to anyway. The Scandanavians and Swiss appear to live well enough on the concept
 
#8
We are a small island and our influence has diminished as our empire has diminished. We no longer have the military capability to do anything meaningful, our politicians are spineless, two faced lapdogs.

However economically we punch well above our weight and are respected still in many areas of the world, so business we are still listened to, politically we are a has been.
 
#9
A small island that no-one pays attention to, but people feel the need to tell us we're that small island that they're definitely not paying attention to.

"You! Yes, you over there! We're not paying attention to you!".
 
#10
1) Most nations know the current strenght of our armed forces
2) most nations know our current committments
3)committments devided by strenth =what forces are left !! ie:none !!! so why should anybody listen to what we have to say !!

However much barking is done by whatever nation we have proved once or twice that if they dont pay attention to our bark then by God they will pay attention when we bite !!
 
#12
It used to called 'The Russian Bear' now it is just the 'Russian Panda'.

This 'Tiny Island' has stood proud and faced up to insults from nearly every country on the planet,we have seen 'Regimes' come and go but still we endure.Long may this continue.
 
#14
We might not be able to occupy another country again a feature not a bug.
But we still just about have a blue water navy that can sit off shore and **** you up.
Top 10 economy music and other creative stuff the world service football more man united fans abroad and at home.
We still have a lot of influence.

Russia still thinks its a big dog and if your a neighbour you probably have to listen because a tank division is hard to ignore out of tank travelling range not so much a 30 year old cruisier and a carrier nicknamed the "gulag" when russians are complaining about accom you know it must be horrific:( will not impress the yanks :)
 
#15
I wish we stopped trying to be on the big stage giving out money that is cut from our needed service sectors, to give to people that dont need it
 
#16
Our empire lasted longer than his did and I find it hard to think of Russian contributions to the betterment of the world- beyond a few in the arts, matrioshka dolls and ushanka hats. The Russian psyche seems to be a weird interface of arrogance, ignorance and sentimentality. In any case the Russians don't seem to pay much attention to anything, we can hardly feel aggrieved that they don't think about us too often- they find it difficult to get from one side of the road to the other.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/naafi-bar/203547-russian-dashboard-cameras-fcukin-looneys.html
 
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fozzy

Guest
#17
OK let's see how we compare:

Perm Seat on Security Council - check
Nuclear states - check
Top Ten economies - check (UK at 7, Russia at 8)
Ability to project power - check -(however the UK has a way better chance of getting there without the bottom falling out of its ships, crew muitiny or rats eating all the stores).
Parliamentary Democracy - UK wins on this one
Extra judicial killings sanctioned by the Head of State - Russia wins

Head of a global club of friendly nations - including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India - er yep - we win on that one.
Not bad for small island with 60 million people.

And if Russia is such a great place to live, how come so many of it's richest and brightest business folk are investing in London?
 
#18
And if Russia is such a great place to live, how come so many of it's richest and brightest business folk are investing in London?
Russia is not in any sense 'a great place to live' (with rare exceptions like mr.Snowden). As to the 'richest and brightest business folk' then they are in most case merely crooks and thives and as current power keepers in Russia are crooks and thieves as well then the businessmen prefer to live and have their money in such a wonderfull island as Great Britain.
 
#19
The UK has so little influence, that when Parliament voted against military intervention in Syria, the US and the rest of the world stopped and thought.

If the UK had said yes to intervention, rockets would be flying as we speak, no doubt about it.
 
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fozzy

Guest
#20
Russia is not in any sense 'a great place to live' (with rare exceptions like mr.Snowden). As to the 'richest and brightest business folk' then they are in most case merely crooks and thives and as current power keepers in Russia are crooks and thieves as well then the businessmen prefer to live and have their money in such a wonderfull island as Great Britain.
We have a long and proud tradition of trousering the cash from crooks and thieves. Long may it continue - its how the Empire was built!
Anyway, all those houses in Belgravia and Chelsea wont buy their selves you know.
 

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