A sensible word on nukes in the world

#1
Here's an article by Brian Cloughley, a former British Army Rupert and recognised expert on Affers, Pakistan etc. With all this idiotic and counterproductive sabre-rattling about Iran getting nukes and what to do about it, the piece provides a refreshing counterbalance, written in your man's admirable, no-nonsense style:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley10022009.html

MsG
 
#2
Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called at the two nuclear sites are being used by mum to dry the washing.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog then....
 
#3
MrShanklysboots said:
Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called at the two nuclear sites are being used by mum to dry the washing.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog then....
Did you actually read the article, fella?

I mean, I appreciate that you've a profound understanding of the subject by reading" "Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called ..." in your post. So maybe you'd like to enlarge on that, and not just regurgitate what your friend's wife's brother's mother-in-law happens to think at any particular time of day.

MsG
 
#4
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called at the two nuclear sites are being used by mum to dry the washing.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog then....
Did you actually read the article, fella?

I mean, I appreciate that you've a profound understanding of the subject by reading" "Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called ..." in your post. So maybe you'd like to enlarge on that, and not just regurgitate what your friend's wife's brother's mother-in-law happens to think at any particular time of day.

MsG
Because you're such a nuclear physicist eh genius!! Go away you socialist biff.
 
#5
Ord_Sgt said:
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called at the two nuclear sites are being used by mum to dry the washing.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog then....
Did you actually read the article, fella?

I mean, I appreciate that you've a profound understanding of the subject by reading" "Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called ..." in your post. So maybe you'd like to enlarge on that, and not just regurgitate what your friend's wife's brother's mother-in-law happens to think at any particular time of day.

MsG
Because you're such a nuclear physicist eh genius!! Go away you socialist biff.
Hey, Odd_Sarge, if you don't want to make any sort of positive contribution to the thread, but you're solely interested in slagging me off in your, in the meantime, thoroughly tiresome manner, why don't you just PM me, instead of dragging yet another thread off canter for your own pathetically pitiful and selfish ends, eh? This happens to be quite a serious subject, and not really the place for your immature: "Him iss a gobba an' I is a great one" arguments. OK?

MsG
 
#6
Bugsy said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called at the two nuclear sites are being used by mum to dry the washing.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, barks like a dog then....
Did you actually read the article, fella?

I mean, I appreciate that you've a profound understanding of the subject by reading" "Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called ..." in your post. So maybe you'd like to enlarge on that, and not just regurgitate what your friend's wife's brother's mother-in-law happens to think at any particular time of day.

MsG
Because you're such a nuclear physicist eh genius!! Go away you socialist biff.
Hey, Odd_Sarge, if you don't want to make any sort of positive contribution to the thread, but you're solely interested in slagging me off in your, in the meantime, thoroughly tiresome manner, why don't you just PM me, instead of dragging yet another thread off canter for your own pathetically pitiful and selfish ends, eh? This happens to be quite a serious subject, and not really the place for your immature: "Him iss a gobba an' I is a great one" arguments. OK?

MsG
Hey Odd fcukwit, its about as serious a subject as circumcision. Get over yourself you fat middle aged bore. Besides don't you come from some third world cesspit that doesn't have nuclear weapons, even the South Africans are more advanced that your sh1thole of a country.
 
#7
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?

I mean, I appreciate that you've a profound understanding of the subject by reading" "Because those centrifuges or whatever they're called ..." in your post. So maybe you'd like to enlarge on that, and not just regurgitate what your friend's wife's brother's mother-in-law happens to think at any particular time of day.

MsG
No - I didn't. If you would like me to go and make myself a Wiki expert on the Uranium 235 refinement process, please feel free to tell me so I can tell you to do one in short sharp jerky movements.

My point was that the ONLY reason you have centrifuges at Nuclear sites is to refine Nuclear Material - otherwise there is no point in having them.

The IAEA has been falling over itself to offer Iran the necessary refined product to run their plants for power generation in exchange for closing down any home grown refinement facilities. Guess what - no dice.

So - lets see. A theocracy that believes its greatest and most present threat is a Nuclear armed Israel develops its own missile and fissile refinement capablility and the President has made recent threats to that very state.

Like I say, if it looks like a dog etc etc.

Now. Lets stop with the petty belittlement of arguments hey bugs. The article, I thought was well presented rubbish. I said so. No need to get bent out of shape about it.
 
#8
Ord_Sgt said:
Hey Odd fcukwit, its about as serious a subject as circumcision. Get over yourself you fat middle aged bore. Besides don't you come from some third world cesspit that doesn't have nuclear weapons, even the South Africans are more advanced that your sh1thole of a country.
Another extremely valuable contribution to the subject at hand, I don't fückin' think! Now you've effectively dragged the thread off-course. Happy now?

Hey, Mods, is there no possibility of temporarily banning drunken members like Odd_Sarge until they've sobered up?

MsG
 
#10
Bugsy said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Hey Odd fcukwit, its about as serious a subject as circumcision. Get over yourself you fat middle aged bore. Besides don't you come from some third world cesspit that doesn't have nuclear weapons, even the South Africans are more advanced that your sh1thole of a country.
Another extremely valuable contribution to the subject at hand, I don't fückin' think! Now you've effectively dragged the thread off-course. Happy now?

Hey, Mods, is there no possibility of temporarily banning drunken members like Odd_Sarge until they've sobered up?

MsG
Get over yourself fatty. :roll:
 
#11
Ord_Sgt said:
Get over yourself fatty. :roll:
Hey, Odd_Sarge! Get the fück off this thread if you've nothing to contribute to it. Is that so hard to understand?

If your desire to slag me off is so strong, start a new thread about it! Let me lance a title for you: "Bugsy is a complete cünt because ...!" How's that grab you?

MsG
 
#12
Bugsy said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Get over yourself fatty. :roll:
Hey, Odd_Sarge! Get the fück off this thread if you've nothing to contribute to it. Is that so hard to understand?

If your desire to slag me off is so strong, start a new thread about it! Let me lance a title for you: "Bugsy is a complete cünt because ...!" How's that grab you?

MsG
Shut up fatty.
 
#13
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?
No - I didn't.
That sort of disqualifies anything you say after "No", wouldn't you agree?

MsG
 
#14
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?
No - I didn't.
That sort of disqualifies anything you say after "No", wouldn't you agree?

MsG
Why? The article was gash - I didn't need to read past the first few sentences or speed read the rest to know it.

He was talking toffee in my opinion. I said so, and you got bent out of shape.

Now - how about you explain away the centrifuges. If they're not there to refine - what else are they doing there?
 
#15
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?
No - I didn't.
That sort of disqualifies anything you say after "No", wouldn't you agree?

MsG
A bit like you pretending to have an informed opinion over and above being a bog trotting Irish fcukwit....

It's Londonderry by the way, not derry.
 
#16
Having read the article it still doesn't answer why Iran wants "peaceful atomic power". It is also worthy of note that it has been stated that peaceful use of atomic power cannot be separated from atomic weapons. Anyone with a grasp of A level physics will know that. Once the relevant knowledge is available to construct and run atomic reactors then a breeder reactor is the next step to produce plutonium. The first bombs are usually U235 bombs as enrichment is a pain but construction of the bomb is relatively easy, 1940s know-how. Plutonium bombs are more difficult to make, but the fissile material is easy to obtain.

As has been stated, if it looks like dog, smells like one and barks like one---.
I don't trust I'm a dinner jacket any further than I can kick him.
 
#17
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?
No - I didn't.
That sort of disqualifies anything you say after "No", wouldn't you agree?

MsG
Why? The article was gash - I didn't need to read past the first few sentences or speed read the rest to know it.

He was talking toffee in my opinion. I said so, and you got bent out of shape.

Now - how about you explain away the centrifuges. If they're not there to refine - what else are they doing there?
Quite right, the centrifuges are there to refine. But you may (or may not) have noticed that they refine only to the normal 5 percent required by power stations, as against the 90 percent required for weapons production.

The next question will be: how do they know they (the Iranians) won't just knock it up a cog and simply not tell us about it. The answer is that it's not just a question of increasing speed, production or whatever, but rather that a whole, radically new process has to come online which the Iranians simply don't have and have, to date, shown no desire in acquiring.

MsG
 
#18
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
MrShanklysboots said:
Bugsy said:
Did you actually read the article, fella?
No - I didn't.
That sort of disqualifies anything you say after "No", wouldn't you agree?

MsG
Why? The article was gash - I didn't need to read past the first few sentences or speed read the rest to know it.

He was talking toffee in my opinion. I said so, and you got bent out of shape.

Now - how about you explain away the centrifuges. If they're not there to refine - what else are they doing there?
Quite right, the centrifuges are there to refine. But you may (or may not) have noticed that they refine only to the normal 5 percent required by power stations, as against the 90 percent required for weapons production.

The next question will be: how do they know they (the Iranians) won't just knock it up a cog and simply not tell us about it. The answer is that it's not just a question of increasing speed, production or whatever, but rather that a whole, radically new process has to come online which the Iranians simply don't have and have, to date, shown no desire in acquiring.

MsG
The UN will be calling your fat sweaty arse to advise them presently. Mate you're not nearly as clever as you think you are.
 
#19
Ord_Sgt said:
Mate you're not nearly as clever as you think you are.
No, Odd_Sarge, I don't think I'm clever at all. In fact, I reckon I'm about average intelligence-wise. That's why I really love jousting on t'internet with you, because then I look like a fückin' genius!

MsG
 
#20
Bugsy said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Mate you're not nearly as clever as you think you are.
No, Odd_Sarge, I don't think I'm clever at all. In fact, I reckon I'm about average intelligence-wise. That's why I really love jousting on t'internet with you, because then I look like a fückin' genius!

MsG
You're right about one thing, you're not very clever. Whats with the umlouts though?
 

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