A SEAL war hero rues a decision made in Afghanistan

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Trip_Wire said:
I know this incident has been discussed before here on this board; however, I think this has a different slant on the subject and the decision(s) made.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4936654.html
You're right, it has been discussed on here before and the US personnel involved didn't come over very well last time to my mind.

As they saw it, they had two options: kill the Afghans, or let them go and hope for the best. They let them go.
So the option of put one bloke to guard them, establish a defensive perimeter and request extraction wasn't in their "actions on"? Amateurish.

Poor Planning and Preparation gives P1ss Poor Performance.

What was the right thing to do on the mountain? In the book, Luttrell describes how the team talked it out, trying to find the best course of action. If they killed the men, they worried, the American media would get wind of it, and they'd be charged with murder.

Luttrell wondered what great commanders in the past — Napoleon, Omar Bradley, MacArthur — would have done.
Did he really? He sounds like a total nob-end who couldn't make a command decision because he lacked the necessary equipment.

"Would they have made the ice-cold military decision to execute these cats because they posed a clear and present danger to their men?"

On the other hand, he felt the promptings of "another soul. My Christian soul."

"Something kept whispering in the back of my mind, it would be wrong to execute these unarmed men in cold blood."

He reports that Axelson favored killing the goatherds. Dietz was neutral. Murphy and Luttrell voted to let them go.

"It was the stupidest, most southern-fried, lamebrained decision I ever made in my life," Luttrell writes. "I must have been out of my mind. I had actually cast a vote which I knew could sign our death warrant. I'd turned into a (expletive) liberal, a half-assed, no-logic nitwit, all heart, no brain, and the judgment of a jack rabbit.

"At least, that's how I look back on those moments now. Probably not then, but for nearly every waking hour of my life since. No night passes when I don't wake in a cold sweat thinking of those moments on that mountain. I'll never get over it."

He's certain the goatherds betrayed their presence to the Taliban. "In my opinion, we should have killed them," he says today. "I regret it every day. I miss my friends."
Kill them all, let God sort them out hey? Hey. lets murder some civvies, they're only wogs anyway. Hi five! Fried Chicken! Mine's A diet Coke!

Tosser. Shame about his mates.

Do we need people like this in the armed forces of our so called allies?

Angry.
 
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ex-stab said:
So the option of put one bloke to guard them, establish a defensive perimeter and request extraction wasn't in their "actions on"? Amateurish.
Hmm. Wouldn't be so hasty to condemn just yet:

Having tried and failed earlier to make radio contact with their home base, they were on their own.
A few miles away, a Taliban grenade brought down a rescue helicopter on its way to help the trapped men, killing all 16 aboard.
 
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Why the fuck do the Americans always have to be so fucking melodramatic about everything?

Like those ice sculptures of the New York fireman that ended up in the gallery a few years ago, it just isn't needed.
 
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Umm, because he now has a book to flog?
 
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Indeed of course ex stab would have charged and killed all the gooks with a dull pencil and created a new radio with a paper clip. I would watch what you say though turnabout is fair play, many people could bring up what happened to a boatload of Brits who managed to make the news a few months ago......
 
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LJONESY said:
Indeed of course ex stab would have charged and killed all the gooks with a dull pencil and created a new radio with a paper clip. I would watch what you say though turnabout is fair play, many people could bring up what happened to a boatload of Brits who managed to make the news a few months ago......
Fair comment. Nobody's perfect(except me of course 8) )
 
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Never would have said otherwise Werewolf, your picture would be highlighted in gold in the dictionary, and your sainthood is a given.
 
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crabtastic:

Perhaps that book is a factor; however, IMHO I think he's suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder as well as survivor guilt.

I can fully understand a soldier going what this SEAL went through having the thoughts he is having. Hearing your dying comrades cries for help and not being able to help is tough! I've been there and done that, and I'll never forget get it. I get to re-live it every so often in my dreams and/or thoughts and that was a long time ago now.

I hope he makes a ton of bucks $$$$ on his book! I hope he is undergoing treatment for his PTSD.
 
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Hmm just a quick observation, but ex_stab, why are you so quick to critique a Navy Seal, when it seems like you are having trouble just passing a PT test???
 
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EX_STAB said:
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Do we need people like this in the armed forces of our so called allies?

Angry.
Oh I'm sure SAS experts like Andy McNab could teach him a thing or two about tactics...or more likely, about media hype.
 
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Praetorian said:
Why the fuck do the Americans always have to be so fucking melodramatic about everything...
A justifiable criticism. My answer is I'm not sure why. It's in our nature for some f-ing reason and I'm not a fan. It's the e-n-d-l-e-s-s hammering away at the minutiae of suffering that just leaves me numb. Can't figure out why it's so popular and embedded.
 

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